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GM Recalls 1.4 Million Vehicles that Can Leak Oil and Catch Fire

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GM Recalls 1.4 Million Vehicles that Can Leak Oil and Catch Fire

For the third time in seven years, General Motors is recalling cars that can leak oil and catch fire.

The recall, which covers 1.4 million vehicles dating to the 1997 model year, is needed because repairs from the first two recalls didn’t work. More than 1,300 cars caught fire after they were fixed by dealers, the company said.

In the previous recalls, in 2008 and 2009, GM told owners to park the cars outside until repairs can be made since most of the fires happened shortly after drivers turned off the engines. A spokesman was checking to see if the same recommendation applies this time.

U.S. safety regulators became aware of the fires in early 2007 and GM has since reported 19 minor related injuries. In 2008, a GM spokeswoman said the cars were responsible for 267 fires, including at least 17 that burned structures.

The latest recall, mainly in North America, includes: the 1997-2004 Pontiac Grand Prix and Buick Regal; the 2000-2004 Chevrolet Impala; the 1998 and 1999 Chevrolet Lumina and Oldsmobile Intrigue; and the 1998-2004 Chevrolet Monte Carlo. All have 3.8-liter V6 engines.

Over time, a valve cover gasket can degrade, allowing oil to seep out. Under hard braking, oil drops can fall onto the exhaust manifold and catch fire. Flames can spread to a plastic spark plug wire channel and the rest of the engine.

The problem first surfaced in 2007, when 21 consumer complaints about engine fires in some of the cars prompted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to investigate. That probe found three injuries. Most of the blazes happened five to 15 minutes after the engines were turned off, according to agency documents.

The investigation led to the recall in March 2008 of more than 200,000 U.S. cars with supercharged engines. A year later GM recalled almost 1.5 million more cars that weren’t supercharged. Dealers replaced the spark plug wire channels but documents filed with the government don’t mention any repair of the oil leaks.

GM hasn’t come up with a final fix in the most recent recall, spokesman Alan Adler said. The company will use state registration databases in an effort to track down the owners, he said. The 1,300 fires were discovered when GM began investigating whether to recall some 2004 models, Adler said.

The recall is so large that it could have an impact on GM’s fourth-quarter earnings, although Adler said that hasn’t been determined.

”Since we have not decided on the remedy, we do not know whether the cost will result in a material charge to earnings,” he said.

 
#2 ·
Well aint that something! Me and my friend just did an entire cleaning of two of these engines (Impala and Regal in effected years) just the other weekend. SO much oil was leaking out and it was just bad. We of course replaced the gasket but that wasn't the biggest issue. Yes catching on fire is a big issue, and honestly I don't know if they even knew about that. We were cleaning out the whole top end because apparently these engines are known for leaking coolant into places they really shouldn't be. Coolant was definitely present in the oil. I only have a couple pics but this was our weekend. We did this on TWO cars the same weekend. Slightly different engines but same problem. Also a video of pretty much all that we did.







 
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GM engines have long been famous for gasket leaks, especially the valve cover, intake manifold, and timing chain cover. Unfortunately so are most domestic engines. Both my Jeep's inline 4.0 and Neon's 2.0 leak everywhere as well. I've had GM vehicles with small-block V8s, 2.8 V6s and 4.3 V6s, and they all quickly turned into balls of black slime no matter how often I soaked them in degreaser.
 
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As we move forward, all companies are in deeper doo-doo when it comes to cheaping out on various cost areas in the mfg process. Years and years ago, the necessary response required by the mfg was "oh well, stuff breaks". Now, with all the new laws and requirements, it's a different ball game.
Funny thing about Chevy, in particular, is that they have always enjoyed a sheepish and dedicated consumer - despite all their flaws. You can not buy a current model Corvette that does not have problems and will most assuredly have bigger problems in a few years. Yet they sell very well. There must be enough folks in the US that have enough money to buy cars like a kids toy. Buy it, try it, throw it away. Amazing.
 
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It seems like everything "modern" is just built poory. Designed to fail at a certain point. I love my Dart but I dont expect to see it still going in 20 years. :cool: I rebuilt my 455 Buick almost 8 years ago after 35 years of service. It was still on the road until then.
This is simply not borne out by reality. Yes, some new cars will have serious issues, but statistically, cars built today are more likely to last 10+ years than cars built at any time in the past. Your car, while very cool, is simply not a typical example. It's definitely an outlier, because the average person does not do the kind of meticulous maintenance that this car has apparently received. Car makers have never cared about quality or safety, or any of the other marketing-friendly BS they spout to sell cars. It is, and always has been, about profit, and they have always been more than happy to cut corners to achieve this. The idea that things were "built to last back in the day" is just not true. Heck, it wasn't that long ago that odometers only went to 99,999 before stopping or rolling over to zero. Considering that it wouldn't really have cost anything more to make a 6-digit odometer instead, it should give you a pretty good idea of how long cars were expected to last.
 
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That was a great couple of posts.
I have slightly rose tinted glasses about the past, but not so much toward cars. Even though they seemed more durable, the past cars were way more prone to rust, require periodic tune-ups for the low tech fuel delivery and spark systems, etc etc.
Now, as far as music and a totally care-free way of living? Aaaaah..... yes..... to be a Huckleberry Finn...... or maybe..... not.
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