It's as simple as, we don't know. No one has gotten to drive it yet!

 

24 more hp is 24 more hp, no?

 

Indeed. But transferring that to the wheels is the meat on the bone. Keep your extra ponies, give me more torque and less transmission loss.

 

The 2.4 is not worth it in my opinion worse fuel milage mods won't do much for it unless you get some kind of f/I 1.4 is gonna have better mpg just with minor mods be more powerful and a lot more fun!

 

The 2.4 is not worth it in my opinion worse fuel milage mods won't do much for it unless you get some kind of f/I 1.4 is gonna have better mpg just with minor mods be more powerful and a lot more fun!

Keep dreaming

Boltons such as intakes catbacks ext have very little real effect on power in a na car not the case with a turbo especially once you get tuned and you can say well u can turbo/supercharge the 2.4 most likely ull have to upgrade all the internals to be able to hold the boost and it will be some serious $

Intakes and catbacks don't do all that much on forced induction either.

Tuned as in flash the ecu I flashed my ralliart only had a cbe got an extra 39awhp... The only advantage I can see the 2.4 having is the no turbo lag ... But still I don't understand why people whine they have no power from 1000-2500 rmp even with the 2.4 don't expect to much power between there

Wat? Do you really think a forced induction 1.4 will feel the same as a 2.4L NA with more torque?

 

Not seeing all of these customer dynos with 184 bhp 1.4T's. Can you point me to those threads?

 

a lot of the abarth guys have put cars on dynos and just a piggyback box can give you about 185 hp. but the abarth also doesn't have a muffler or resonator, on the other hand the intercoolers are really complicated and probably not as free flowing as the dart. some dyno results show about 195 to 200 hp with mods. of coarse that's not wheel hp, it's taking whp before the mods and finding the % difference to advertised hp and applying that to the whp after the mods to estimate bhp. i don't know why there is an assumption that the 2.4 won't be as tunable. sure it doesn't have a turbo, but the 1.4 turbo doesn't have a ton left to work with.

many honda engines make 100-120 hp/liter N/A sure hey rev high but there is no reason to think a 2.4 can't come close. if they grind cams for the multi air with a tune, intake, throtle body, header back exhaust there is no reason it can't make 250 hp. i don't want to hear that hondas rev to 8000-9000 and the multi air won't i've made 100hp per liter and with inline valve wedge combustion chambers at below 7000 rpm with pump gas friendly compression ratios. doing it with a modern engine at less rpm should not be that challenging.

 

When the 2.4 comes out show me one that dynos 184 there will be none vehicles lose power through the drive train

 

Boltons such as intakes catbacks ext have very little real effect on power in a na car not the case with a turbo especially once you get tuned and you can say well u can turbo/supercharge the 2.4 most likely ull have to upgrade all the internals to be able to hold the boost and it will be some serious $

 

Brake horsepower (bhp) is measured at the crankshaft, hence my 184 bhp. Dynos read wheel horsepower (whp) but you just convert it or measure the whp of a stock GT and compare it to the customer's whp from their modded 1.4T dyno. It's not impossible.

EDIT--Tuned? You're not talking about "tuned" like my VW 1.8T is tuned, unfortunately.

 

Wheel HP is real HP haha

 

I think they've been working hard on the drivetrain programming; the 2.4L will likely have a better power-band, and being NA, there should be zero lag.

 

Tuned as in flash the ecu I flashed my ralliart only had a cbe got an extra 39awhp... The only advantage I can see the 2.4 having is the no turbo lag ... But still I don't understand why people whine they have no power from 1000-2500 rmp even with the 2.4 don't expect to much power between there

 

Dart hasn't been out long enough for the programmers & testing required for an ECU tune. I would love an ECU tune for Jace; because I loved it in my passat (and that was boosted 50hp/tq with the chip)

 

I'm sure I could have got more out of the tune on my ralliart but I only got the free basemap for 91 octane just downloaded it on my laptop plugged it into my obd2 port with a taxtric cable and bam

 

But the point I'm saying is I'm sure soon enough there will be a ecu tune and most likely even with just the tune nothing else it will be up on HP then the gt and it already is up on torque so no prob there

 

Mine was just for premium fuel as well.. It was GIAC+ that was the tuner for the Passat I had

 

91 was the "low octane tune" for mine the claimed an extra 12 HP for 93 octane one but being up in the middle of nowhere Canada 91 is highest we got ha

 

91 is all we have in CA without going to the race-tracks. Didn't see too many in Arizona either.
93 is more common back-east apparently. I haven't seen one 91 station since moving here to GA.

 

93 if fairly common around here too. Oddly enough I find I get the best mpg using mid-grade though. (89)

 

Here in Thompson all the gas stations have 87 89 and 91southern Manitoba I've seen 93 and 94

 

Yes,, tuner's out there, build us some awesome TUNES for our 1.4L Darts PLEASE!! I would like a Bully dog GT tuner with stock, Eco, and performance tunes available.

Suzq044 you moved to GA? How's that humidity treating ya?? CA to GA would be hard to take in the humid summer months IMHO....

 

It's just something to get used to Granted it's been raining every other day lately. Does not make the home-repair list go away any faster.

 

Stock tune IS Eco lol.

 

I don't need to dream the 2.4 doesnt have much more power at all down on torque and with very few mods u will be past the power of the 2.4 and a intake with a proper tune can give up to 35-40 HP increases with f/I seen it many times not my first turbo not new to modding either

 

New to punctuation apparently. And now we're going from just and intake to an intake and tune? Also another point...you were complaining about fuel mileage..one requires 93 and the other requires 87. It evens out.

 

N/a engines get little to no gain for intakes exhausts or any bolt ons sites will claim increases bring em to a dino test it out you won't get close to what they claim

 

Neither do turbos. A cold air intake on a turbo is nearly useless. A catback will add a little bit but mostly just make it louder. A downpipe on the other hand will increase spool quite a bit.

 

The 1.4 does not require 93 octane it requires 87 FYI and 91 for best performance I can easily get over 40mpg on 87 and the price difference per tank and even if you use it still will be a nice bit of savings over the 2.4

 

Did I say cold air intake ... No short ram is the only thing that really should be used on a f/I car it will increase spool and it will gain you power a cold air intake has pretty much no gain over short ram in my opinion in a f/I car and no it won't be a major gain without a tune but it will be a gain and it won't take much to match the 2.4 it only has 24 HP gain at the crank which doesnt mean it will put that much more down at the wheels either and it is down on torque also we could fight about this forever but just wait for the 2.4 maybe you will understand when 1.4s are blowing by

 

Look up a what a torque curve on a dyno graph is then get back to me. Then you'll understand.

 

And look at the torque curve for the 1.4t and get back to me it it hits 180 ft/lbs by 2600 starts dropping slowly at 4500 now look at the curve for the 2.4 and get back to me

 

The only thing that the 2.4 has over the 1.4 is no turbo lag and I believe if you want power why are u under 2000rpm a 4cyl isn't the greatest in low revs as it is

 

if you want power why are u under 2000rpm

I wonder this every time somebody says "turbo lag". It really doesn't lag much at all people, it's a little turbo, it spools just fine IF YOUR IN THE RIGHT RPM RANGE.

 

My point anyways in the beginning is the 1.4 has much more potential for the $ unless someone wants to spend the cash to upgrade the internals and turbo/supercharge