Here is the number one thing to know. You cannot dyno tune the car like a LS whatever or a Mustang

 

Well you can dyno tune and LS2, becuase if you couldnt he wouldnt have. haha. granted he only gained about 40 horse, but i know for a fact it was dyno tuned. but i am not gonna be the same old person that starts an argument everytime so ill leave it at that.

 

lots of products are in the works especially cold air intake kits. should be coming out in the next few weeks if that helps..and like stated above, from what ive read, chrysler computers are nearly impossible to crack for a tune

 

The computer in these cars is pretty good for kinda "auto-tuning" itself and adjusting different parameters based on conditions and inputs. I don't know this for a fact so don't quote me on it, but I would say that the computer adjusts automatically to the increased air flow... (which btw, an increase in airflow from an intake will definitely increase your power to some degree!) Power in an engine comes from the combustion of fuel which requires air... less air, less fuel can combust....more air, more fuel can combust. Hence the point of the turbo; and with BOV sounds now audible, I'd say that's proof enough that the air flow has increased a substantial amount.

 

The computer in these cars is pretty good for kinda "auto-tuning" itself and adjusting different parameters based on conditions and inputs. I don't know this for a fact so don't quote me on it, but I would say that the computer adjusts automatically to the increased air flow...

Eh, yes and no. There are long term and short term fuel trims which the computer can adjust "automatically" or "on the fly", however this is not really tuning and there are limits to the adjustability of the fuel trims. This is more of a prevention for knock or pre-detonation. With a CAI only, there really isn't a need to add a tune to the car, but if you start adding more air to the mix with other components, then you will require a tune. However, a proper tune can be more beneficial to performance than bolting on parts...even if it just a CAI.

My $0.02.

 

FYI: these cars have a recirc not a BOV. If it was a BOV it would have sounded that way all along.

 

Well i guess that is probably easily mistaken for people who are new to turbo'd cars. Haha! Thanks for not ripping on me guys, butttttt what is a recirc?

 

Well thanks guys, and like I said I'm not trying to argue cause it's a complete waste of time I was just saying I know my buddy did his GTO. I'm sure people will be dyno tuning their darts in no time. Somehow someway. Haha

 

Are you saying a proper tune as in take it to a dyno?

 

A proper tune as in full ECU tune, and yes on a dyno. There is nothing out right now that can accomplish that. No one is offering a true tune for the car. Though I am talking to one of the leading European tuners to see if there is any similarities in the Abarth and Dart ECU, we shall see what comes out of that.

 

A Blow off valve vents built up pressure into the air and a recirc/pop-off valve usually vents pressure back into the intake stream

 

Cool man, yeah I did the same but used a K&N filter, love the new sound!

 

-I went to Oriellys bought a Spectre 3" conical filter where the end is also opened, a 2.25od to 2.5id exhaust pipe transition, and a 2.5" to 3" spectre coupler.
I removed the hard plastic piece from the coupler added it to the filter, then inserted the 2.5" pipe tightened it up the carefully wedged the 2.23od end into factory boot. With the stock airbox removed the open end of the filter sits neatly ontop of the fender air extracter feeding it fresh air.

I'm scouting the home improvement stores to find a decent looking thermal barrer to seperate it from the engine bay now.

 

I also got a spectre cone filter but I used a 2-2 1/2" exhaust adapter..love to hear the turbo start to spool up

 

Yeah, definitely makes you wanna shift later for the cooler sound.

 

OP- what parts did you use? Cost? Pics?

 

He used a Spectre cone filter and it cost $26. I can't take a pic of his car because I don't know where it is.

 

Good luck getting that warranties. If they see its not a mopar product installed by a mopar dealer, and it caused your engine problem, it will void your warranty. Just warning you...if they see the aftermarket cone caused the problem, you have to pay to fix out of pocket.

 

Not true...the only thing he voided by doing this is if something went wrong with the intake piece, that's it. How would a simple cone filter cause engine problems??

 

Unless they can prove the filter caused the problem, but typically not having a filter would be the issue wouldn't it? Magnuson Moss Act

 

^^Right...

 

I've dealt with Dealers and warranties with aftermarket parts. When I can out knowledge them about what they should know, they typically get quite drop their head and walk away.
I've even had GM from Detroit call me because the "General Manager" was so ignorant and didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. They apologized all day and sent me a tin of cookies.-(very yummy btw)
I think they should have at least offered me his job!

 

I never said that it will cause the problem. But OP mentioned if it breaks they'll warranty it. If they realize changing the intake is what caused the engines failure it voids warranty. My step dad works at mopar hq and is in charge of accepting or denying warranty claims. This is info from him

 

MM supplies the ecu for the Abarth and the Dart,if they were different then the MM box would not work for the Dart. The Dart comes with the same tune as the esse esse Abarth in Europe. Even over there they use the piggyback because this Ecu responds and adapts well to mods. That added to the complexity of the Multiair programming is the reason you probably wont be seeing any full on ecu flashes For these cars.

Like was posted above, the dealer would have to prove that the intake causes the issue before they could deny the claim.

 

There is no way my filter is taking in 130 degree air from the engine. My filter is plenty far from the engine and it is sitting right over the air duct. And I got a solid 40 mpg on the highway last weekend and noticed a better spool of the turbo. So tell me how that's bad on the engine??

 

Get an ODBII scanner and watch your Air intake temps...bet you it is over 130 degrees that is measured at the MAF...just past your intake. When you think that is high watch your CAT temps!!!

While it may not be bad this week...

 

Somebody posted up once with their scan gauge thingie that the air intake temps were around 130 (at the MAF I think). That was with ambient of 100 with the stock air box (completely separate from engine bay). Just because the filter is sitting over the intake hole if its not protected in some way from the open engine bay it will be getting at least some of the heat from the motor. Maybe not a lot, but its gonna get at least a little and raise your overall intake temps a bit. May not affect performance, SF is just leery of "slapping" a cone filter on the end of the hose if you will. Wants to see a bit more work done on it

 

Understandable. Like I said, it's temporary, until i i can find a full pipe to run of the turbo without spending 300-600 dollars on a K&N, AEM, Mopar or anything else thats pricey. Any ideas would be appreciated And I weld at a stainless steel shop so I'm gonna see what I can do to make up a heat shield. And make it nice.

 

A couple pictures of your get up would be nice, I'm more of a visual person, pictures make it easy to understand. And I like em easy

 

I'll get one tomorrow if I remember.

 

CodyKulas...you're going to make a heat shield tomorrow? let me know how that goes, I need one and want to see how to take care of this in the best way.

 

more spool-more boost-more wear- more problems?

 

Not really. The less the turbo has to work to make boost the less wear it has on the turbo. I don't think you will see "more" boost because its controlled by the PCM, so engine wear should be the same or less.