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Anthony Bourdain... very sad. Difficult to understand. Oddly though, I knew nothing about him or the shows on CNN and Food Network. But when I saw the news and looked at some of his pictures and quotes, I made some assumptions. My assumptions turned out to be accurate. Just an opinion (and not professional), but, I think that anyone with his personal history (at youth) has to constantly be "on guard" even much later in life. Because it's never really over. And it is insidious. The tv show MOM is billed as comedy, but it is pretty much stark reality as a warning. Can't let your guard down even with the gain of position and wealth.
RIP, Anthony.
 

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Anthony Bourdain... very sad. Difficult to understand. Oddly though, I knew nothing about him or the shows on CNN and Food Network. But when I saw the news and looked at some of his pictures and quotes, I made some assumptions. My assumptions turned out to be accurate. Just an opinion (and not professional), but, I think that anyone with his personal history (at youth) has to constantly be "on guard" even much later in life. Because it's never really over. And it is insidious. The tv show MOM is billed as comedy, but it is pretty much stark reality as a warning. Can't let your guard down even with the gain of position and wealth.
RIP, Anthony.
Any trauma or incident that may cause someone to develop a mental illness, or any degree, should always be treated properly. It is difficult for us who do not experience these issues to possibly relate; or to say these people had so much money, or a family, etc. The issue is that this illness does not allow those to have a clear image of themselves and perhaps the love and support they do have from their friends and family. Some of them truly believe there is no way out and the people they leave behind will truly be better off without them. It is sad that people live like this and the mindset that one must have to make this final decision. I can only imagine it is the lowest level of sadness and darkness.

I personally was not a fan of Anthony Bourdain. In fact i found him to be a bit egotistical and was put off by him. Nevertheless, he was a human being and deserved to be respected as one and, fan or not, created a successful career for himself. It is unfortunate that he, or anyone, could not have done the same in his personal life; or at least see his family and friends it for what he really meant to them.
 
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I'm calling BS on suicide. The guy was an addict, I guarantee he overdosed (unintentionally). The city he was in during his death is full of street dealers, right out in the open. I've watched Anthony since his first show was released on Travel Channel. His past few seasons show him to be in great shape physically and in good spirits. People that are depressed and want to kill themselves don't have happy faces.

The suicides are happening with the people taking psych medications. The meds are also responsible for the majority of the school shootings in the USA. A huge issue that needs to be addressed, most of the blame is on big pharma in my opinion. True suicides rates are incredibly low, the high volume of modern day suicides are all directly linked to the side effects of psych meds.

I'm sure we will hear more details about this in the next few days/weeks.
 

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I'm calling BS on suicide. The guy was an addict, I guarantee he overdosed (unintentionally). The city he was in during his death is full of street dealers, right out in the open. I've watched Anthony since his first show was released on Travel Channel. His past few seasons show him to be in great shape physically and in good spirits. People that are depressed and want to kill themselves don't have happy faces.

The suicides are happening with the people taking psych medications. The meds are also responsible for the majority of the school shootings in the USA. A huge issue that needs to be addressed, most of the blame is on big pharma in my opinion. True suicides rates are incredibly low, the high volume of modern day suicides are all directly linked to the side effects of psych meds.

I'm sure we will hear more details about this in the next few days/weeks.
Agreed..... I saw a list of his recent pics and quotes about his romantic relationship .... he states a Lou Reed song line from Perfect Day ..... about his girlfriend and his bliss..... Just A Perfect Day... You Made Me Forget Myself.... etc.... and of course the movie that sensationalized that song : Trainspotters. Seems like many close friends can be clueless about noticing trouble signs. I never met the man but I would see his dwelling on that whole mindset (Perfect Day references) at a huge Red Flag.
 

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Agreed..... I saw a list of his recent pics and quotes about his romantic relationship .... he states a Lou Reed song line from Perfect Day ..... about his girlfriend and his bliss..... Just A Perfect Day... You Made Me Forget Myself.... etc.... and of course the movie that sensationalized that song : Trainspotters. Seems like many close friends can be clueless about noticing trouble signs. I never met the man but I would see his dwelling on that whole mindset (Perfect Day references) at a huge Red Flag.
Or is that just a celebrity painting a picture of what he wants the world to think of him? Self-branding rather than real life feelings?
 

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Or is that just a celebrity painting a picture of what he wants the world to think of him? Self-branding rather than real life feelings?
Good point. Maybe "painting pictures" is a widespread problem for people. The "painting" that I see about Bourdain is one of a guy way out of control in all things self destructive. Including the reliance on other humans (in his case, a new girlfriend) to be a satisfaction to the soul. As The Stones would musically say "I Can't Get No....." To expect otherwise is path to disaster . Drinkin' , Smokin', Food as Sex, Sex as release, over use of all things on life's menu, and we as consumers celebrate this? It's like believing that Oscar Wilde was even remotely sane. He did some great writing and had many intellectual insights but the painting he made of himself was one of a hedonistic-bat shit crazy- lost soul. :eek:
 

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“We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and—in spite of True Romance magazines—we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely—at least, not all the time—but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don't see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness.”

― Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967
 

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“We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and—in spite of True Romance magazines—we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely—at least, not all the time—but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don't see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness.”

― Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967
Well put. It may sound introverted and not what we're taught by professionals, but it is a brutal. if not ultimate truth. Self Respect (loving yourself regardless of what life throws at you) is a cornerstone of the Human Condition. Fear of being "alone" is an ingrained impulse sewn into our DNA fabric since the dawn of mankind. It may have served as a survival instinct during man's "make-or-break" years but we have gotten all growed up. History is to learn from. But it's not taught in schools as such.
So on the Fathers Day, I say , Love your Family as yourself. And revel in that Joy. If you're not a Father, the same advice applies to your individual family situation. And if you have no blood family, there is still the family of your brothers and sisters around the world. Love those as well. But start with yourself.
And as a public service, I say that if you have a chemical imbalance, ask for help. Don't have a Love/Hate relationship with yourself.
 

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It is a shame when these celebs die like this. But as a US Army Vet, 14 of my brothers and sisters who are active or have served commit suicide each and everyday. Where is all the media coverage on them and what is Donnie and his cronies really doing to stop it? Not 1 damn thing as told to me at my local VA hospital!
 

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It is a shame when these celebs die like this. But as a US Army Vet, 14 of my brothers and sisters who are active or have served commit suicide each and everyday. Where is all the media coverage on them and what is Donnie and his cronies really doing to stop it? Not 1 damn thing as told to me at my local VA hospital!
This has been going on forever. My grandfather was a WWII veteran on a destroyer escort (USS Bangust) in the Pacific. He was always an advocate for the VA hospitals. He was also the head of his local VFW hall and openly invited veterans from the Vietnam War when older vets did not want them included. Anyway, he was part of a group that wished to take any funds allotted for a WWII memorial and donate it to help the VA and veterans who needed it. Paying tribute to these fine Americans is not by visiting an object, it is to ensure that they can enjoy the fruits of their hardships as much as we do.

As for the celebrity angle, this country is celebrity crazy. Unfortunately, no one pays much mind or doesn't want to truly listen about those in crisis. Celebrity stories sell. To me, it is just like the fools who take a day off of work in my area to picket Gillette stadium, or the NFL offices, to demand Tom Brady's innocence when he was suspended. First off, you have no idea if he did it or not. he's not your friend and he would never speak to you. He might as well live on a different planet. if you lose your job, and ability to support your family, he is not coming to support you. hell, he would not even pull over if he saw you with a flat tire. I have nothing against people enjoying sports, or entertainment, but you do not know this people at all.
 

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This has been going on forever. My grandfather was a WWII veteran on a destroyer escort (USS Bangust) in the Pacific. He was always an advocate for the VA hospitals. He was also the head of his local VFW hall and openly invited veterans from the Vietnam War when older vets did not want them included. Anyway, he was part of a group that wished to take any funds allotted for a WWII memorial and donate it to help the VA and veterans who needed it. Paying tribute to these fine Americans is not by visiting an object, it is to ensure that they can enjoy the fruits of their hardships as much as we do.

As for the celebrity angle, this country is celebrity crazy. Unfortunately, no one pays much mind or doesn't want to truly listen about those in crisis. Celebrity stories sell. To me, it is just like the fools who take a day off of work in my area to picket Gillette stadium, or the NFL offices, to demand Tom Brady's innocence when he was suspended. First off, you have no idea if he did it or not. he's not your friend and he would never speak to you. He might as well live on a different planet. if you lose your job, and ability to support your family, he is not coming to support you. hell, he would not even pull over if he saw you with a flat tire. I have nothing against people enjoying sports, or entertainment, but you do not know this people at all.
Excellent point about "celebrity" fanaticism . I freely admit that I started out very young with celebrity obsession (as did many) with the Beatles. Second runner-up was all members of Led Zeppelin. Never liked sports and movie stars were a distant third base. And TV stars. I'd like to know whether celebrity obsession is something in our DNA throughout history or if it is just a product of the 20th Century and forward.
But whether it's sports, music, movies, tv or whatever - it is something that is very addictive and more "unreal" than anything I could even think of. Why people are drawn to Hero worship is confusing IF the conversation was more broadly had by the media. But it is a money generator for sure. Fact is that people who have a talent to market are huge disappointments when the real person is unveiled . But it is the illusions that sell product. More than the product itself. Kind of like the great Politicians and Rulers of our recent History. Inside, the celebrities are nothing more than the everyday schmuck - just like me - and the common person. Difference is , that they lucked-out with the proverbial gimmick. None of them are all that interesting or different. Just lucky.
 

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Maybe not a "celebrity" in the usual sense, but this guy always gave an edge of "reason" to the self serving insanity that usually IS conservatism. Him being on a panel of guests is the only way I could watch Fox and not become physically ill. Never really knew much about him but now I can see why he seemed reasonable. A former psychiatrist background certainly helps understand Man's Inhumanity To Man . I wonder how many conservatives (or anyone on Fox) really knew what he was trying to say? It reminds me of trying to have an intellectual conversation with my former boss and store owner - a self described workaholic. Like Penney would say on Big Bang to Sheldon : "I'm just a blonde monkey to you, aren't I ?" lol rip, Charles Krauthammer .... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/obituaries/charles-krauthammer-prominent-conservative-voice-dies-at-68.html
 

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That man accomplished more than all of us. It really is an amazing story. I always had a preconceived notion that he was just another old conservative until I watched the tv special about his story. I can't say that I would have had the motivation to do what he did. He was a real voice of reason, an example to what conservatives today SHOULD be acting like.
 

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Aretha Franklin
Loved to play along on my drums to original 45 version of Respect . The slower funky version with back beat. Not the sped up later versions butchered by larger backing bands that vaporized the bass and drum interplay.
Not much of a "soul music" fan , but Respect wasn't really a Soul tune in my book.
But there I go again... making everything about Me and what I like. For shame .
RIP, Aretha
 
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