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@b3ar2264 -

Please STOP speaking as if you represent FCA, Chrysler, and/or Dodge ... IIRC, you work for MAGNA (the company that supplies the Active Grille Shutters used on our Darts and RAM trucks).

If you had actually taken a closer look at the DODGE brand's 5-year product plan presentation (available for download HERE), you would have noticed that the Dart SRT has a planned release date of December 2016 ... which would make it a 2017 model:

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Listen here dude don't come off all high and mighty I work for MAGNA yes the company that designed manufactured and engineered the AGS module. But what you're failing to realize is MAGNA is a world wide fortune 500 multi BILL I ON dollar company that almost bought chrysler , and we supply a lot more than you're little AGS module on you're dart for one we make AGS' s for multiple vehicles for every major manufacture of motor vehicles. We also supply parts other than the AGS for pretty much all major manufactures all over the world. There is magna interiors, magna exteriors, magna powertrain, magna drivetrain. Plastic injection molding as far as the eye can see. Not to mention the whole other side of magna. So yes I am a MAGNA employee but I am damn proud to work for a company that treats it's employees with respect and dignity. Not to mention again a company that was built from the ground up literally. When it comes to the manufacturing business we are all the same we build a part send it out until it gets to the final build plant. We supply parts for the many respectable company's that supply great cars and trucks for you. Think about who you're insulting with you're high and mighty self before you do. I am no bottom line production worker. I worked hard to get to where I'm at now.



Edit* not to mention the 5 year plan is just a plan they could come out with the srt4 this year if they wanted to rite under our noses. The fact is its confirmed if it's in December of 2016 I doubt they'll release it as a 2017. Even so it's a little fishy of a company to release a car like this in the winter spring summer is more akin to drawing in a customer base and selling vehicles.
 

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who cares about a completely different highly modified "RACING" engine built by a company with unlimited financial support? that like saying that the 2.0 in the Dart Rallye car is the same 2.0L engine in it now. that 2.0 makes 600hp annd is AWD. you think that this 2.0 has that capability?

you think that a member here with a 1.4 making 300hp would ever be a Daily Driver? hell no. nothing in the 300hp fiat motor even looks like whats under your hood. nor would any of us have the combined cash flow to make it look like that.
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. A 300hp 1.4T would be impractical, expensive, and probably not all that drivable, but it can probably be done.
 

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Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. A 300hp 1.4T would be impractical, expensive, and probably not all that drivable, but it can probably be done.
so we base the 1.4 on "Probably" and its hunky dory for the 1.4 masses, but you guys wonder why i get frustrated with the amount of attitude i get from you bunch when i mention probably for the 2.0 and 2.4? or my favorite is "potential" the 2.0 DOHC would probably be better for Turbo'ing currently because the multi air head is so different from conventional tuning that id rather wait for a real tuner to arrive before leaping off the balcony all willy nilly for some miracle tune from some questionable individual(s). but there it is the probably word. for all we know the 2.0 dart with a turbo may Probably hit 1000hp.
 

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so we base the 1.4 on "Probably" and its hunky dory for the 1.4 masses, but you guys wonder why i get frustrated with the amount of attitude i get from you bunch when i mention probably for the 2.0 and 2.4? or my favorite is "potential" the 2.0 DOHC would probably be better for Turbo'ing currently because the multi air head is so different from conventional tuning that id rather wait for a real tuner to arrive before leaping off the balcony all willy nilly for some miracle tune from some questionable individual(s). but there it is the probably word. for all we know the 2.0 dart with a turbo may Probably hit 1000hp.
Well we know a 2.0 Dart can make 600 HP :wink:
 

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so we base the 1.4 on "Probably" and its hunky dory for the 1.4 masses, but you guys wonder why i get frustrated with the amount of attitude i get from you bunch when i mention probably for the 2.0 and 2.4? or my favorite is "potential" the 2.0 DOHC would probably be better for Turbo'ing currently because the multi air head is so different from conventional tuning that id rather wait for a real tuner to arrive before leaping off the balcony all willy nilly for some miracle tune from some questionable individual(s). but there it is the probably word. for all we know the 2.0 dart with a turbo may Probably hit 1000hp.
Please don't blatantly misrepresent what I said. I only said that the 1.4T "probably" wouldn't have great driveability at 300hp. While it hasn't been demonstrated, I'm confident that both the 2.0L and 2.4L Tigershark can make 300hp (also with a lot of expense, especially since just a turbo kit will likely run you $4.5-$6K), and I'd really appreciate not being lumped in with the "1.4T or die" fanatics just because I happen to own a 1.4T, because I have absolutely nothing against the 2.0 or 2.4 and think they should have a lot of potential. I only used the 1.4T as an example because one of our vendors says they think than can built a 300hp 1.4T and nobody anywhere has ever, to my knowledge, even put a turbo on a 2.0 or 2.4. There is no factual basis by which to make any claims about their real potential, because nobody has really looked into it yet. With new, more powerful engines coming for the Dart in the next couple of years, I suspect there will be limited interest from what you call "real tuners" (presumably none of our supporting vendors meet your criteria) to do anything with the current car.
 

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Please don't blatantly misrepresent what I said. I only said that the 1.4T "probably" wouldn't have great driveability at 300hp. While it hasn't been demonstrated, I'm confident that both the 2.0L and 2.4L Tigershark can make 300hp (also with a lot of expense, especially since just a turbo kit will likely run you $4.5-$6K), and I'd really appreciate not being lumped in with the "1.4T or die" fanatics just because I happen to own a 1.4T, because I have absolutely nothing against the 2.0 or 2.4 and think they should have a lot of potential. I only used the 1.4T as an example because one of our vendors says they think than can built a 300hp 1.4T and nobody anywhere has ever, to my knowledge, even put a turbo on a 2.0 or 2.4. There is no factual basis by which to make any claims about their real potential, because nobody has really looked into it yet. With new, more powerful engines coming for the Dart in the next couple of years, I suspect there will be limited interest from what you call "real tuners" (presumably none of our supporting vendors meet your criteria) to do anything with the current car.
OH, no. You Have the Right to Remain Silent. Anything You Say Will Be Misquoted, Then Used Against You. lol.
 

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Well we know a 2.0 Dart can make 600 HP :wink:
600hp extremely Un safe there's a lot of work into safely making a car hit 600hp especially a turbo car. Full and I mean full engine rebuild better radiator and intercooler all the piping bigger injectors better fuel pump. Then the drive train needs to handle it. I know I'm leaving a lot out but that's because you could create a whole thread on just an engine build
 

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Listen here dude don't come off all high and mighty I work for MAGNA yes the company that designed manufactured and engineered the AGS module. But what you're failing to realize is MAGNA is a world wide fortune 500 multi BILL I ON dollar company that almost bought chrysler , and we supply a lot more than you're little AGS module on you're dart for one we make AGS' s for multiple vehicles for every major manufacture of motor vehicles. We also supply parts other than the AGS for pretty much all major manufactures all over the world. There is magna interiors, magna exteriors, magna powertrain, magna drivetrain. Plastic injection molding as far as the eye can see. Not to mention the whole other side of magna. So yes I am a MAGNA employee but I am damn proud to work for a company that treats it's employees with respect and dignity. Not to mention again a company that was built from the ground up literally. When it comes to the manufacturing business we are all the same we build a part send it out until it gets to the final build plant. We supply parts for the many respectable company's that supply great cars and trucks for you. Think about who you're insulting with you're high and mighty self before you do. I am no bottom line production worker. I worked hard to get to where I'm at now.



Edit* not to mention the 5 year plan is just a plan they could come out with the srt4 this year if they wanted to rite under our noses. The fact is its confirmed if it's in December of 2016 I doubt they'll release it as a 2017. Even so it's a little fishy of a company to release a car like this in the winter spring summer is more akin to drawing in a customer base and selling vehicles.
I'm sorry if my post came off as "all high & mighty" and that you thought I was insulting you for being a MAGNA employee ... that was not my intention.

My intention was to point out to you that ever since you joined this community, you have continually represented yourself as someone who works for FCA, Chrysler, and/or Dodge ... at least that's how I have interpreted several of your posts ... including these two:

... You do realize we begin production and start releasing next year's model before said year is here rite? ...
All I know is I work for dodge things like this are super secretive ...
I'm fully aware that MAGNA supplies automotive parts to several North American, Asain, & European Automobile manufacturers ... including components for FCA vehicles (Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, RAM, & Fiat) ... but I'm also aware that if you're a MAGNA executive, engineer, production line manager, etc. (that is privy to some actual data related to the design or production schedule of one of your customer's products), then you would have to sign a Confidentiality Agreement (CA) or a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with that customer ... in this scenario, the customer would be FCA / Dodge.

So tell us this "DUDE" ... Do you actually have access to Dodge Insider Information (that you can't legally or ethically divulge)? ... or do you just like to start drama on this forum?
 

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I'm sorry if my post came off as "all high & mighty" and that you thought I was insulting you for being a MAGNA employee ... that was not my intention.

My intention was to point out to you that ever since you joined this community, you have continually represented yourself as someone who works for FCA, Chrysler, and/or Dodge ... at least that's how I have interpreted several of your posts ... including these two:

I'm fully aware that MAGNA supplies automotive parts to several North American, Asain, & European Automobile manufacturers ... including components for FCA vehicles (Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, RAM, & Fiat) ... but I'm also aware that if you're a MAGNA executive, engineer, production line manager, etc. (that is privy to some actual data related to the design or production schedule of one of your customer's products), then you would have to sign a Confidentiality Agreement (CA) or a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) with that customer ... in this scenario, the customer would be FCA / Dodge.

So tell us this "DUDE" ... Do you actually have access to Dodge Insider Information (that you can't legally or ethically divulge)? ... or do you just like to start drama on this forum?
I don't start drama any more than any one els does here. I do actually work for dodge. My paycheck may not have there name on it how ever they pay my company for work which means I am a subsequent contractor for dodge. My opinions are made based on rationalism and where the dart will stand when the srt comes out. Cars based on its competitor vehicles and their trends. My whole idea is that it will follow suit but not in the price margin every one thinks. As for insider information I've only ever made suggestions any one that would be willing to loose his/her job especially in this economy is outrageously stupid if they divulge anything that would contradict the contract they signed in my case it could mean my job and a shit storm for my company so as far as you know I am at a chrysler plant every day of work. But know this I would never put my money or my company's money on the line for a dumb tidbit of information. All of my suggestions about the dsrt have been rite thus far and this is due to trending cars like the evo and sti. My opinion on pricing is souly based off of the fact that other vehicles have a. Proven histories and technology/engineering behind there products. And that since the dart is a direct replacement to the neon and it's a bang for you're buck car. The srt dart should follow suit. I'm a car enthusiast no joke but awd turbo has kind of always been my thing.
 

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I don't start drama any more than any one els does here. I do actually work for dodge. My paycheck may not have there name on it how ever they pay my company for work which means I am a subsequent contractor for dodge. My opinions are made based on rationalism and where the dart will stand when the srt comes out. Cars based on its competitor vehicles and their trends. My whole idea is that it will follow suit but not in the price margin every one thinks. As for insider information I've only ever made suggestions any one that would be willing to loose his/her job especially in this economy is outrageously stupid if they divulge anything that would contradict the contract they signed in my case it could mean my job and a shit storm for my company so as far as you know I am at a chrysler plant every day of work. But know this I would never put my money or my company's money on the line for a dumb tidbit of information. All of my suggestions about the dsrt have been rite thus far and this is due to trending cars like the evo and sti. My opinion on pricing is souly based off of the fact that other vehicles have a. Proven histories and technology/engineering behind there products. And that since the dart is a direct replacement to the neon and it's a bang for you're buck car. The srt dart should follow suit. I'm a car enthusiast no joke but awd turbo has kind of always been my thing.
Lol "I work for a rubber company that supplies the soles to nike therefore I work for Nike..." some people just need to feel important let him be guys and gals.
 

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Lol "I work for a rubber company that supplies the soles to nike therefore I work for Nike..." some people just need to feel important let him be guys and gals.
Its not about feeling important it's the truth if you own a lawn company you're basically employed by the customer. If it wasn't for them needing there grass cut then you wouldn't have a job. When you provide a service for a person or a product to be placed within a product like a car part you work for the person paying you for you're service and or part. It's basic business. Now if the company you work for makes and produces a part or a product all by them selves then you work for that company. It's simple just like we technically employ the police or the government we pay taxes our taxes get divided up among every one we pay them to provide a service for us. So if a an officer gets his paycheck it may say. Xxx county sheriff's office. Or blank doesn't mean the money for his job comes from the office it comes from the people. I don't need to explain it any other way. So while my paycheck doesn't have chrysler name on it that doesn't mean that technically chrysler isn't paying me and my company to provide a service for them. So technically we work for chrysler. At least at my plant. All of our days off and holidays are the same as theirs all of our breaks are the same our shifts are the same. And we build in sequence so we build vehicle for vehicle so work for magna contracted by chrysler means work for magna and chrysler. Because we are contracted and paid by them to produce what we produce.




In turn the reason I took his comment hard was because he opened his mouth with out knowing what he was saying. Spoke about my company as if it were some small hole in the wall plant. It's not about me feeling important or gaining respect it's about. The fact that magna is a world wide mega corporation. And when I say world wide I mean it. A company that large is nothing to sniff at. As for me it was more in defense of the owner whom literally built the company from the ground up. Literally from a nothing company to a multi billion dollar corporation that can throw money around and bid on things like purchasing chrysler in it self as a whole. When I said I work for dodge I never said my pay checks were signed by them but I am here in the plant every day that I'm at work.


And as for this insider information once again I will reiterate. I understand trends and how the production process works. I understand a cars sales reflect the dealer when there are more cars on there lots than they've sold. We know the dart will be a awd turbo. Said to compete in the rally rod world. Which means based on their trends and where there going with there cars is probably where we're going with the dart. I understand competitive and aggressive sales. For the dsrt to gain ground they can't go selling it for the same price as the rest of the lot due to attention being turned to the other cars. Take a corvette think of what the corvette and viper can do. Why buy a viper when you can buy a corvette for a fraction of a price even a zr1 which is the most maxed out vette still significantly cheaper than a viper. It's why the viper isn't a hot seller because there are things that can perform close to it in a much smaller price range and things that are much better in the same price range. All of what I'm saying is by no means a company's secret it's a basic understanding of trends. The dsrt is a whole nother demon both origional srt4 models were fwd turbo the dsrt will be awd opening it up to a new market. To be honest a lot of the fwd turbo cars now are economy cars because people have figured out how to get good gas milage on a turbo set up. Mazda 3 stage 2 300hp still getting 30mpgs. Or the new wrx stock getting 21/28 and probably can be better. I drive a car thats estimated 17/22 and I get like 25 City and 30 or more highway. It's all in how you drive it.

So I'm going to leave the forum now. I'm not going to out in my I'm put any more on anything I'm tired of people that don't understand or see where I'm coming from swooping up and trying to chop my balls off
 

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600hp extremely Un safe there's a lot of work into safely making a car hit 600hp especially a turbo car. Full and I mean full engine rebuild better radiator and intercooler all the piping bigger injectors better fuel pump. Then the drive train needs to handle it. I know I'm leaving a lot out but that's because you could create a whole thread on just an engine build
I was talking about the Dart GRC car, obviously I know that no OEM is going to offer a 600+ hp 2.0L 4 cyl. It appears that everybody but you got that one.
 

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Listen here dude don't come off all high and mighty I work for MAGNA yes the company that designed manufactured and engineered the AGS module. But what you're failing to realize is MAGNA is a world wide fortune 500 multi BILL I ON dollar company that almost bought chrysler , and we supply a lot more than you're little AGS module on you're dart for one we make AGS' s for multiple vehicles for every major manufacture of motor vehicles. We also supply parts other than the AGS for pretty much all major manufactures all over the world. There is magna interiors, magna exteriors, magna powertrain, magna drivetrain. Plastic injection molding as far as the eye can see. Not to mention the whole other side of magna. So yes I am a MAGNA employee but I am damn proud to work for a company that treats it's employees with respect and dignity. Not to mention again a company that was built from the ground up literally. When it comes to the manufacturing business we are all the same we build a part send it out until it gets to the final build plant. We supply parts for the many respectable company's that supply great cars and trucks for you. Think about who you're insulting with you're high and mighty self before you do. I am no bottom line production worker. I worked hard to get to where I'm at now. Edit* not to mention the 5 year plan is just a plan they could come out with the srt4 this year if they wanted to rite under our noses. The fact is its confirmed if it's in December of 2016 I doubt they'll release it as a 2017. Even so it's a little fishy of a company to release a car like this in the winter spring summer is more akin to drawing in a customer base and selling vehicles.
you realize that no one cares that you work for any particular company right? Nothing makes you any better than him or vice versa. He was simply pointing out the fact that you were belittling someone for saying it's 2017 when you yourself had your facts wrong, when the obvious was right in front of you.

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I was talking about the Dart GRC car, obviously I know that no OEM is going to offer a 600+ hp 2.0L 4 cyl. It appears that everybody but you got that one.
lol. :)

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The 2013 Dart went on sale in May of 2012, I think, so late 2013 was an incredibly late release for the GT! If the refreshed "regular" Dart actually goes on sale according to plan in June of 2016, it would likely be as a 2017 model, so the SRT would be a late release 2017 model (December 2016 would actually be pretty "late" for a 2017 model vehicle).
jsblanch,

Just to bring the topic back on course, from past events, I can foresee a 2017 rather than 2016.
Is it just me or would the SRT be great like..... right now before the summer is out!
 

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jsblanch,

Just to bring the topic back on course, from past events, I can foresee a 2017 rather than 2016.
Is it just me or would the SRT be great like..... right now before the summer is out!
Hot outside? Check
Sunny? Check
Plenty of 2-lane blacktops out in the country within convenient driving distance? Check
Ability to get out of working the rest of the day? Check (probably)
300hp AWD SRT Dart? Aw, dang it...

Fun as the SRT will be, it will likely be out of my price range, because I certainly won't be surprised if it's a $40K car in Canada (cheaper than and EVO or STi, I guess, but still more than I can reasonably afford).
 

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Its not about feeling important it's the truth if you own a lawn company you're basically employed by the customer. If it wasn't for them needing there grass cut then you wouldn't have a job. When you provide a service for a person or a product to be placed within a product like a car part you work for the person paying you for you're service and or part. It's basic business. Now if the company you work for makes and produces a part or a product all by them selves then you work for that company. It's simple just like we technically employ the police or the government we pay taxes our taxes get divided up among every one we pay them to provide a service for us. So if a an officer gets his paycheck it may say. Xxx county sheriff's office. Or blank doesn't mean the money for his job comes from the office it comes from the people. I don't need to explain it any other way. So while my paycheck doesn't have chrysler name on it that doesn't mean that technically chrysler isn't paying me and my company to provide a service for them. So technically we work for chrysler. At least at my plant. All of our days off and holidays are the same as theirs all of our breaks are the same our shifts are the same. And we build in sequence so we build vehicle for vehicle so work for magna contracted by chrysler means work for magna and chrysler. Because we are contracted and paid by them to produce what we produce.




In turn the reason I took his comment hard was because he opened his mouth with out knowing what he was saying. Spoke about my company as if it were some small hole in the wall plant. It's not about me feeling important or gaining respect it's about. The fact that magna is a world wide mega corporation. And when I say world wide I mean it. A company that large is nothing to sniff at. As for me it was more in defense of the owner whom literally built the company from the ground up. Literally from a nothing company to a multi billion dollar corporation that can throw money around and bid on things like purchasing chrysler in it self as a whole. When I said I work for dodge I never said my pay checks were signed by them but I am here in the plant every day that I'm at work.


And as for this insider information once again I will reiterate. I understand trends and how the production process works. I understand a cars sales reflect the dealer when there are more cars on there lots than they've sold. We know the dart will be a awd turbo. Said to compete in the rally rod world. Which means based on their trends and where there going with there cars is probably where we're going with the dart. I understand competitive and aggressive sales. For the dsrt to gain ground they can't go selling it for the same price as the rest of the lot due to attention being turned to the other cars. Take a corvette think of what the corvette and viper can do. Why buy a viper when you can buy a corvette for a fraction of a price even a zr1 which is the most maxed out vette still significantly cheaper than a viper. It's why the viper isn't a hot seller because there are things that can perform close to it in a much smaller price range and things that are much better in the same price range. All of what I'm saying is by no means a company's secret it's a basic understanding of trends. The dsrt is a whole nother demon both origional srt4 models were fwd turbo the dsrt will be awd opening it up to a new market. To be honest a lot of the fwd turbo cars now are economy cars because people have figured out how to get good gas milage on a turbo set up. Mazda 3 stage 2 300hp still getting 30mpgs. Or the new wrx stock getting 21/28 and probably can be better. I drive a car thats estimated 17/22 and I get like 25 City and 30 or more highway. It's all in how you drive it.

So I'm going to leave the forum now. I'm not going to out in my I'm put any more on anything I'm tired of people that don't understand or see where I'm coming from swooping up and trying to chop my balls off
Just.... wow. :popped out:
 

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Hot outside? Check
Sunny? Check
Plenty of 2-lane blacktops out in the country within convenient driving distance? Check
Ability to get out of working the rest of the day? Check (probably)
300hp AWD SRT Dart? Aw, dang it...

Fun as the SRT will be, it will likely be out of my price range, because I certainly won't be surprised if it's a $40K car in Canada (cheaper than and EVO or STi, I guess, but still more than I can reasonably afford).
jsblanch

I'm really anxious to have more details about the SRT once additional info. is released.
It can be tough to put out a Dart SRT and carve down the price tag.
The "Core" model of the SRT models available in the U.S. market are attractive as you're getting all the performance and nothing more.
This lessens the blow of the cost, may be an option down the road for all markets and SRT models...
 
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