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      I wonder , alot lately, about the legal constitutionality regarding our personal rights related to own bodies and what we have the "right" to consume. That is, what is legal to consume, ingest, etc., VS what is deemed illegal by law. I am surprised that no one or no group has ever made a legal challenge in the high courts (similar to abortion rights and your own body) about our rights to procure and ingest any and all substances that are manufactured. That is, in the same way that tobacco products can be purchased by the car load if desired - alcohol can be purchased in similar fashion - and of course the hot-button of firearms . (even though we don't ingest devices, but it is similar ) . The reason I ask is because it makes me wonder how much the government really has our "health" in mind when they force a vast amount of the population to buy garbage and poison via the black market instead of legalizing all substances. My assumption: the government(s) are terrified of the current underworld. And they are equally terrified of a vast population that would thumb their noses at the Big Commerce machine that is slowly grinding to a halt regardless.
      Something to think about. Since Baseball has become so very boring the last few years. Also, I wish some company would create an alternative to regular grass lawns. What a huge scam. All the true poisons that are sprayed all over the planet in pursuit of green grass covering dirt. And the noisy machines and dust created by having to constantly mow the grass.
      This is not a derail. This is a conspiracy.
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      Took my daughter to the doctor for the typical cold symptoms. We ask if it's the flu because it's been going around here lately. The doctor replies back "Oh, it can't be the flu...it's May 1st. The flu ends after April".

      So he just admired the flu virus is man-made and released every year on purpose.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dad's dart View Post
      I wonder , alot lately, about the legal constitutionality regarding our personal rights related to own bodies and what we have the "right" to consume. That is, what is legal to consume, ingest, etc., VS what is deemed illegal by law. I am surprised that no one or no group has ever made a legal challenge in the high courts (similar to abortion rights and your own body) about our rights to procure and ingest any and all substances that are manufactured. That is, in the same way that tobacco products can be purchased by the car load if desired - alcohol can be purchased in similar fashion - and of course the hot-button of firearms . (even though we don't ingest devices, but it is similar ) . The reason I ask is because it makes me wonder how much the government really has our "health" in mind when they force a vast amount of the population to buy garbage and poison via the black market instead of legalizing all substances. My assumption: the government(s) are terrified of the current underworld.
      You have heard me before advocate for marijuana and all it's great benefits it provides. It saved my life and my future. This puts me in a tight spot because as we all know, once government gets it's hands on it (legal) they will ruin it or tax it to death. Our government is only in it for the money (lobbying). This can be proven by the thousands upon thousands of medical research papers that are published showing the overwhelming positive effects of using marijuana. Yet the government claims there is no "medical value" and puts it in the same class as heroin, schedule 1 which is the worst possible option for possible abuse and addiction. Marijuana is as addictive as your favorite food yet government is claiming you will do whatever it takes to get your fix like heroin junkies. Then there is the scientific proof of our human body and many other lifeforms on Earth that have cannabis receptors in our body. They are the bodies natural way of regulating a balance from within. No medical benefit eh?

      The sooner people realize that government is 90% useless, the sooner we can live better.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Killraven View Post
      You have heard me before advocate for marijuana and all it's great benefits it provides. It saved my life and my future. This puts me in a tight spot because as we all know, once government gets it's hands on it (legal) they will ruin it or tax it to death. Our government is only in it for the money (lobbying). This can be proven by the thousands upon thousands of medical research papers that are published showing the overwhelming positive effects of using marijuana. Yet the government claims there is no "medical value" and puts it in the same class as heroin, schedule 1 which is the worst possible option for possible abuse and addiction. Marijuana is as addictive as your favorite food yet government is claiming you will do whatever it takes to get your fix like heroin junkies. Then there is the scientific proof of our human body and many other lifeforms on Earth that have cannabis receptors in our body. They are the bodies natural way of regulating a balance from within. No medical benefit eh?

      The sooner people realize that government is 90% useless, the sooner we can live better.
      How about this from Rhode Island:

      State legislators*introduced a bill*last week that would require residents to pay a one-time $20 fee to access pornography sites or other "offensive material" online.

      https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...n-rhode-island

      On the surface, not a bad thing if the intention truly was to protect children and fight human trafficking. However, this allows the state to create a database of what a grown adult is legally doing in the privacy of their own home. Also, who is setting the rule as to what is considered "offensive". Honestly, the most offensive thing I see is if you enable chat options in a PS4 game.

      This also opens up the door to them locking down other items. If you want to restrict this, then provide me with free internet and then we can begin the discussion.

      Lastly, 0 confidence that any government body would use these funds properly or be upside down due to administrative costs needed to create, monitor and work with carriers on this. It comes down to parents doing their jobs, not governments doing it for them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mass_Paul View Post
      However, this allows the state to create a database of what a grown adult is legally doing in the privacy of their own home. Also, who is setting the rule as to what is considered "offensive". Honestly, the most offensive thing I see is if you enable chat options in a PS4 game.
      This is why I refuse to sign up for our Michigan Medical Marijuana program. You get put on a list and god knows what happens to that list or who it gets passed to. If you have a medical marijuana card you are also banned from owning firearms, concealed carry permits, and ammunition. As a hunter myself, that's not gonna fly with me.

      It's 2018, haven't you heard? EVERYTHING IS OFFENSIVE!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Killraven View Post
      You have heard me before advocate for marijuana and all it's great benefits it provides. It saved my life and my future. This puts me in a tight spot because as we all know, once government gets it's hands on it (legal) they will ruin it or tax it to death. Our government is only in it for the money (lobbying). This can be proven by the thousands upon thousands of medical research papers that are published showing the overwhelming positive effects of using marijuana. Yet the government claims there is no "medical value" and puts it in the same class as heroin, schedule 1 which is the worst possible option for possible abuse and addiction. Marijuana is as addictive as your favorite food yet government is claiming you will do whatever it takes to get your fix like heroin junkies. Then there is the scientific proof of our human body and many other lifeforms on Earth that have cannabis receptors in our body. They are the bodies natural way of regulating a balance from within. No medical benefit eh?

      The sooner people realize that government is 90% useless, the sooner we can live better.
      There actually aren't very many peer-reviewed scientific papers regarding the medical benefits of marijuana. A lot of the "science" on marijuana is unfortunately not very good. Why? Because cannabis is classified as a "Schedule 1" controlled substance, it is officially considered to have no legitimate medicinal properties or medical uses. That means that any institution that receives US government federal funding (like pretty much every college/university) is extremely restricted in their ability to conduct studies on it. It is similarly classified in most of the world with similar restrictions on research. That's the real reason why it should at least be reclassified as a controlled substance that at least has some medicinal properties. Then we could at least get some good, reliable science going to support what is to date mostly a lot of anecdotal claims.

      Note: we don't have "cannabis receptors" in our bodies any more than we have "heroin receptors", "cocaine receptors", or "alcohol receptors". Like any other exogenous substance that affects the brain, it binds to neurotransmitters that are meant for other purposes by mimicking the chemical signature of an endogenous chemical.

      Note 2: Heroin also doesn't belong as a Schedule 1 substance, as it has the exact same medicinal properties as any commercially available synthetic prescription opiate that you can get from your pharmacy. In fact, many synthetic opiates are far more potent than heroin, in both their pain-killing abilities, as well as their side-effects of extreme euphoria, being extremely physically addictive, and killing you is smaller doses.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsblanch View Post
      There actually aren't very many peer-reviewed scientific papers regarding the medical benefits of marijuana. A lot of the "science" on marijuana is unfortunately not very good. Why? Because cannabis is classified as a "Schedule 1" controlled substance, it is officially considered to have no legitimate medicinal properties or medical uses. That means that any institution that receives US government federal funding (like pretty much every college/university) is extremely restricted in their ability to conduct studies on it. It is similarly classified in most of the world with similar restrictions on research. That's the real reason why it should at least be reclassified as a controlled substance that at least has some medicinal properties. Then we could at least get some good, reliable science going to support what is to date mostly a lot of anecdotal claims.

      Note: we don't have "cannabis receptors" in our bodies any more than we have "heroin receptors", "cocaine receptors", or "alcohol receptors". Like any other exogenous substance that affects the brain, it binds to neurotransmitters that are meant for other purposes by mimicking the chemical signature of an endogenous chemical.

      Note 2: Heroin also doesn't belong as a Schedule 1 substance, as it has the exact same medicinal properties as any commercially available synthetic prescription opiate that you can get from your pharmacy. In fact, many synthetic opiates are far more potent than heroin, in both their pain-killing abilities, as well as their side-effects of extreme euphoria, being extremely physically addictive, and killing you is smaller doses.
      I came to add similar mention of a lack of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to the efficacy of marijuana in almost any condition. This does not mean that it may not have uses, but there is no compelling, reproducible and scrutinized evaluation of it. I've had several patients decide to forego chemotherapy to smoke marijuana and return 4-6 months later completely emaciated with dramatic progression of their cancer and expecting a miracle now that they want to try proven therapies - sadly many of these patients are too frail or their cancers are too progressed to expect any hope for cure. I've also had patients develop fungal pneumonia from smoking marijuana.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsblanch View Post

      Note: we don't have "cannabis receptors" in our bodies any more than we have "heroin receptors", "cocaine receptors", or "alcohol receptors". Like any other exogenous substance that affects the brain, it binds to neurotransmitters that are meant for other purposes by mimicking the chemical signature of an endogenous chemical.
      The endocannabinoid system (ECS) is a biological system composed of endocannabinoids, which are endogenous lipid-based retrograde neurotransmitters that bind to cannabinoid receptors, and cannabinoid receptor proteins that are expressed throughout the mammalian central nervous system (including the brain) and peripheral nervous system. The endocannabinoid system is involved in regulating a variety of physiological and cognitive processes including fertility,[1] pregnancy,[2] during pre- and postnatal development,[3] appetite, pain-sensation, mood, and memory, and in mediating the pharmacological effects of cannabis.[4][5] The ECS is also involved in mediating some of the physiological and cognitive effects of voluntary physical exercise in humans and other animals, such as contributing to exercise-induced euphoria as well as modulating locomotor activity and motivational salience for rewards.[6][7][8][9] In humans, the plasma concentration of certain endocannabinoids (i.e., anandamide) have been found to rise during physical activity;[6][7] since endocannabinoids can effectively penetrate the blood–brain barrier, it has been suggested that anandamide, along with other euphoriant neurochemicals, contributes to the development of exercise-induced euphoria in humans, a state colloquially referred to as a runner's high.[6][7]

      Two primary endocannabinoid receptors have been identified: CB1, first cloned in 1990; and CB2, cloned in 1993. CB1 receptors are found predominantly in the brain and nervous system, as well as in peripheral organs and tissues, and are the main molecular target of the endocannabinoid ligand (binding molecule), anandamide, as well as its mimetic phytocannabinoid, THC. One other main endocannabinoid is 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG) which is active at both cannabinoid receptors, along with its own mimetic phytocannabinoid, CBD. 2-AG and CBD are involved in the regulation of appetite, immune system functions and pain management.

      Cannabinoid receptors are present throughout the body, embedded in cell membranes, and are believed to be more numerous than any other receptor system. When cannabinoid receptors are stimulated, a variety of physiologic processes ensue. Researchers have identified two cannabinoid receptors: CB1, predominantly present in the nervous system, connective tissues, gonads, glands, and organs; and CB2, predominantly found in the immune system and its associated structures. Many tissues contain both CB1 and CB2 receptors, each linked to a different action. Researchers speculate there may be a third cannabinoid receptor waiting to be discovered.

      Endocannabinoids are the substances our bodies naturally make to stimulate these receptors. The two most well understood of these molecules are called anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG). They are synthesized on-demand from cell membrane arachidonic acid derivatives, have a local effect and short half-life before being degraded by the enzymes fatty acid amide hydrolase (FAAH) and monoacylglycerol lipase (MAGL).

      Phytocannabinoids are plant substances that stimulate cannabinoid receptors. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, is the most psychoactive and certainly the most famous of these substances

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      Quote Originally Posted by PBMTMD View Post
      I came to add similar mention of a lack of peer-reviewed scientific evidence to the efficacy of marijuana in almost any condition. This does not mean that it may not have uses, but there is no compelling, reproducible and scrutinized evaluation of it. I've had several patients decide to forego chemotherapy to smoke marijuana and return 4-6 months later completely emaciated with dramatic progression of their cancer and expecting a miracle now that they want to try proven therapies - sadly many of these patients are too frail or their cancers are too progressed to expect any hope for cure. I've also had patients develop fungal pneumonia from smoking marijuana.
      Marijuana is not a cancer-killer and will NEVER replace traditional chemotherapy. It may prevent the start of cancer, but it will not stop it once it has started. The whole myth behind it kills cancer is from testing on lab rats. Sorry, but I don't trust ANY scientific results that derive from rat testing. Rats are not humans.

      That is one of those stupid wives tales for pro-marijuana that diminishes the real benefits of using marijuana. Sadly, for most elderly patients there aren't much options as the human body becomes fragile and weak at a high age. Where marijuana shines for elderly patients is it's appetite side effects. Many are on prescription pills that kill their appetite (or chemotherapy) and this would be a highly valuable medicine for that application.

      It's interesting that you said they developed fungal pneumonia. That would be a side effect of it being illegal, where the end product is not regulated and has bugs, mold, or other substances in the marijuana. Legal/Illegal is the ultimate double edge sword in this situation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Killraven View Post
      The endocannabinoid system (ECS) is a biological system composed of endocannabinoids, which are endogenous lipid-based retrograde neurotransmitters that bind to cannabinoid receptors, and cannabinoid receptor proteins that are expressed throughout the mammalian central nervous system (including the brain) and peripheral nervous system. The endocannabinoid system is involved in regulating a variety of physiological and cognitive processes including fertility,[1] pregnancy,[2] during pre- and postnatal development,[3] appetite, pain-sensation, mood, and memory, and in mediating the pharmacological effects of cannabis.[4][5] The ECS is also involved in mediating some of the physiological and cognitive effects of voluntary physical exercise in humans and other animals, such as contributing to exercise-induced euphoria as well as modulating locomotor activity and motivational salience for rewards.[6][7][8][9] In humans, the plasma concentration of certain endocannabinoids (i.e., anandamide) have been found to rise during physical activity;[6][7] since endocannabinoids can effectively penetrate the blood–brain barrier, it has been suggested that anandamide, along with other euphoriant neurochemicals, contributes to the development of exercise-induced euphoria in humans, a state colloquially referred to as a runner's high.[6][7]

      Two primary endocannabinoid receptors have been identified: CB1, first cloned in 1990; and CB2, cloned in 1993. CB1 receptors are found predominantly in the brain and nervous system, as well as in peripheral organs and tissues, and are the main molecular target of the endocannabinoid ligand (binding molecule), anandamide, as well as its mimetic phytocannabinoid, THC. One other main endocannabinoid is 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG) which is active at both cannabinoid receptors, along with its own mimetic phytocannabinoid, CBD. 2-AG and CBD are involved in the regulation of appetite, immune system functions and pain management.

      Cannabinoid receptors are present throughout the body, embedded in cell membranes, and are believed to be more numerous than any other receptor system. When cannabinoid receptors are stimulated, a variety of physiologic processes ensue. Researchers have identified two cannabinoid receptors: CB1, predominantly present in the nervous system, connective tissues, gonads, glands, and organs; and CB2, predominantly found in the immune system and its associated structures. Many tissues contain both CB1 and CB2 receptors, each linked to a different action. Researchers speculate there may be a third cannabinoid receptor waiting to be discovered.

      Endocannabinoids are the substances our bodies naturally make to stimulate these receptors. The two most well understood of these molecules are called anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG). They are synthesized on-demand from cell membrane arachidonic acid derivatives, have a local effect and short half-life before being degraded by the enzymes fatty acid amide hydrolase (FAAH) and monoacylglycerol lipase (MAGL).

      Phytocannabinoids are plant substances that stimulate cannabinoid receptors. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, is the most psychoactive and certainly the most famous of these substances
      Not sure if you're just trying to acknolwedge and expound on his point, or if you think you are providing evidence contrary to his post.. We don't have "weed" (aka cannabis) receptors. We have receptors for cannabinoids that are naturally produced and endogenous to (made by) the body. Marijuana has the effects it does because its chemical structure is sufficiently similar that it can be taken up by these receptors.

     

     
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