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      2013 Dart SXT 2.0L 67,000 miles. When fueling car gas comes back up towards pump nozzle and shuts the pump off. I can only fuel for about 2 seconds at a time. I have tried various gas stations, holding the pump at different angles, etc. I took it into the dealer and they replaced two things: 1. Filter fuel vapor canister (part number 4627332ab) 2. Leak detect pump (part number 4861961ab). They said it was fixed and I drove off. I went to pump gas and the problem still existed. I took the car to another mechanic. He dropped the gas tank, inspected the area, and concluded that I had a venting issue. Made sense to me since the gas was coming back up to the gas pump when fueling. He said the gas pump (which is in the tank) is part of the venting system and that the pump would probably have to be replaced. He quoted about $300 on the part and roughly $200 on the labor. I told him to hold up because I wanted to see if I could work out a deal with the dealer first to see if I could get money back on labor that didn't fix the issue. Regardless, any thoughts on this? Has anyone experienced this before? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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      I would look very carefully for a kinked or pinched evap hose around the fuel tank. There are some vent components that are part of the fuel tank which may require fuel tank replacement. Here is a schematic of the 2.0 evap syatem:
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      Quote Originally Posted by soccr3jc View Post
      2013 Dart SXT 2.0L 67,000 miles. When fueling car gas comes back up towards pump nozzle and shuts the pump off. I can only fuel for about 2 seconds at a time. I have tried various gas stations, holding the pump at different angles, etc. I took it into the dealer and they replaced two things: 1. Filter fuel vapor canister (part number 4627332ab) 2. Leak detect pump (part number 4861961ab). They said it was fixed and I drove off. I went to pump gas and the problem still existed. I took the car to another mechanic. He dropped the gas tank, inspected the area, and concluded that I had a venting issue. Made sense to me since the gas was coming back up to the gas pump when fueling. He said the gas pump (which is in the tank) is part of the venting system and that the pump would probably have to be replaced. He quoted about $300 on the part and roughly $200 on the labor. I told him to hold up because I wanted to see if I could work out a deal with the dealer first to see if I could get money back on labor that didn't fix the issue. Regardless, any thoughts on this? Has anyone experienced this before? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

      I hate to ask... but im going to... HAve you tried pulling the nozzle out of the fill tube just an inch or two? the back pressure is what shuts off the gas pumps... If you have too much pressure or a sensitive pump that will happens constantly! If you pull the nozzle out about an inch or 2 it will allow more back pressure out around the nozzle but will still stop the overfill when the tank become full.
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      Quote Originally Posted by alpinegreenneon View Post
      I would look very carefully for a kinked or pinched evap hose around the fuel tank. There are some vent components that are part of the fuel tank which may require fuel tank replacement. Here is a schematic of the 2.0 evap syatem:
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      On the schematic you posted, would #s 2, 9, and 11 be the hoses to check?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Exitus04 View Post
      I hate to ask... but im going to... HAve you tried pulling the nozzle out of the fill tube just an inch or two? the back pressure is what shuts off the gas pumps... If you have too much pressure or a sensitive pump that will happens constantly! If you pull the nozzle out about an inch or 2 it will allow more back pressure out around the nozzle but will still stop the overfill when the tank become full.
      Good question. Yes, I probably looked like an idiot at the gas stations adjusting the angle of the nozzle 77 times. I did pull it out as well but to no avail. I tried various gas stations as well. In the three years I've owned the car, this has never happened except the last two weeks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by soccr3jc View Post
      Good question. Yes, I probably looked like an idiot at the gas stations adjusting the angle of the nozzle 77 times. I did pull it out as well but to no avail. I tried various gas stations as well. In the three years I've owned the car, this has never happened except the last two weeks.
      Man thats pretty crazy... maybe the relief hose (#11) would be the one that might be either pinched or clogged... causing a backup in the tank and too much pressure in the nozzle.
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      Quote Originally Posted by soccr3jc
      On the schematic you posted, would #s 2, 9, and 11 be the hoses to check?
      I would look at all the hoses. You do not need to drop the tank. Pull up the back seat and there is an access panel.
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      Quote Originally Posted by alpinegreenneon View Post
      I would look at all the hoses. You do not need to drop the tank. Pull up the back seat and there is an access panel.
      Appreciate that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by alpinegreenneon View Post
      I would look at all the hoses. You do not need to drop the tank. Pull up the back seat and there is an access panel.
      I there the same thing on the 1.4T? I have been wondering about that...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exitus04 View Post
      Man thats pretty crazy... maybe the relief hose (#11) would be the one that might be either pinched or clogged... causing a backup in the tank and too much pressure in the nozzle.
      I just called the second mechanic that I took it to. He checked all the hoses and everything looked great. No kinks or anything. He's confident it has something to do with the fuel pump...maybe a busted diaphragm or something. He's also perplexed, though, why they would vent the tank that way. The mechanic is trusted in my town and I used to use him all the time with an older car I had.
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