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      I know this isn't a sports car or performance car, by any stretch of the imagination, but I expected almost 200hp from a small lightweight car to be a bit more responsive than it is. WOT from a dig (no tire spin), it barely out-accelerates grandma with her walker to 60, and I can honestly say I don't feel any difference between 1/2 throttle and wide-open. A nice 1-2 shift at 6k rpm WOT elicited a small bark-bark of the front tires. It made me giggle, because I expected more.

      On one hand, I'm happy, because I'll be teaching my oldest daughter to drive with this car and eventually it will become her first car, but on the other hand, I'm saddened. Yea, I have a couple other vehicles that are my play toys, and for a daily commuter car, this is plenty good enough (getting 26mpg mixed highway/city in hilly terrain, and not driving it for the stellar fuel economy results).

      Is this just typical of this vehicle, and I should just get used to it?


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      The Dart is a sporty economy car. It is not going to burn tires or set 1/4 records. It will turn heads for style though. Looking at your other cars you have listed im gonig to say that you just have to get used to how the dart handles.

      The only thing i can say is that the WOT the car opens to 85 and slowly opens to 100%, someone posted a video of it. That has been a issue many members would like fixed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Capri83RS View Post
      Is this just typical of this vehicle, and I should just get used to it?
      I hate to tell you but, you might need to get used to it. The Dart is not a "light weight car"... Small, yes, light weight, no. The 2014 GT you have clocks in about 3,186 lbs for curb weight, where as the Capri's are more than likely significantly less in weight (couldn't find rock solid numbers to compare). Also, you are comparing the GT to a 5.0 twin turbo project and a built 306 with some NO2, the GT is never going to compare to those two. The other reason you are mentioning the WOT pedal is because the drive by wire and how the TB reacts to the pedal, you aren't going to get a true WOT with the Dart, unless you can eliminate the DBW setup.

      The Dart isn't a true sports car, it's a sporty (in apperance) four door commuter, but was un-fairly marketed as a sport car.
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      The Dart GT is not a high performance car. It has some improved handling and a slightly lower final drive ratio for slightly improved acceleration compared to other 2.4L Darts, but this car isn't in the same class as a GTI, Civic Si, or Focus ST. It's a good-looking, well-equipped compact family sedan that is better suited to the daily grind of getting to the office than the racetrack. Also, compare it to the competition, and it's not really "slow". Try driving any Corolla or non-Si Civic, and you'll see that the Dart is not so bad.

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      Quote Originally Posted by youngsmith53 View Post
      I hate to tell you but, you might need to get used to it. The Dart is not a "light weight car"... Small, yes, light weight, no. The 2014 GT you have clocks in about 3,186 lbs for curb weight, where as the Capri's are more than likely significantly less in weight (couldn't find rock solid numbers to compare). Also, you are comparing the GT to a 5.0 twin turbo project and a built 306 with some NO2, the GT is never going to compare to those two. The other reason you are mentioning the WOT pedal is because the drive by wire and how the TB reacts to the pedal, you aren't going to get a true WOT with the Dart, unless you can eliminate the DBW setup.

      The Dart isn't a true sports car, it's a sporty (in apperance) four door commuter, but was un-fairly marketed as a sport car.
      1.) I didn't realize the Dart was that heavy. My fox body cars are probably not close to that anymore, due to the severe weight reduction plan I've put them both on. Creature comforts like PW, PDL, Power Steering, Stereo, AC/Heat, sound deadening, thermal insulation .... that stuff isn't needed. :P
      2.) The drive-by-wire should not be a hindrance, my RAM is a drive-by-wire, and I can burn the tires down 1st and 2nd gear. It weighs 5200lbs. I've also had a 2012 Mustang GT (12.59 @ 113.8mph with a tune on street tires) and a 2013 Focus ST (slightly more expensive than the Dart, huge performance increase, not as good of a first car for a beginner teenage driver)
      3.) I know the Dart will never compare to my toys (I never expected it to), but I expected it to be a better performer than my wifes 2011 Kia Sorento.

      It feels like the 0-60 time is more on the line of two days instead of 8 seconds.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bullfrog View Post
      ... WOT the car opens to 85 and slowly opens to 100%, someone posted a video of it. That has been a issue many members would like fixed.
      That is interesting to hear. I have a friend in the tuning business, I wonder if that's something he can address. If he even has the software to read the code on this car.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Capri83RS View Post
      2.) The drive-by-wire should not be a hindrance, my RAM is a drive-by-wire, and I can burn the tires down 1st and 2nd gear. It weighs 5200lbs. I've also had a 2012 Mustang GT (12.59 @ 113.8mph with a tune on street tires) and a 2013 Focus ST (slightly more expensive than the Dart, huge performance increase, not as good of a first car for a beginner teenage driver)
      The way the Dart is tuned coupled with the DBW is the hindrance, you are talking about your RAM and that is tuned completely differently than the Dart as well as the GT & the ST. No matter what the Dart (at this time) is 100% tuned for economy in the Dodge lineup for EPA & CAFE reasons.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Capri83RS View Post
      1.) I didn't realize the Dart was that heavy. My fox body cars are probably not close to that anymore, due to the severe weight reduction plan I've put them both on. Creature comforts like PW, PDL, Power Steering, Stereo, AC/Heat, sound deadening, thermal insulation .... that stuff isn't needed. :P
      2.) The drive-by-wire should not be a hindrance, my RAM is a drive-by-wire, and I can burn the tires down 1st and 2nd gear. It weighs 5200lbs. I've also had a 2012 Mustang GT (12.59 @ 113.8mph with a tune on street tires) and a 2013 Focus ST (slightly more expensive than the Dart, huge performance increase, not as good of a first car for a beginner teenage driver)
      3.) I know the Dart will never compare to my toys (I never expected it to), but I expected it to be a better performer than my wifes 2011 Kia Sorento.

      It feels like the 0-60 time is more on the line of two days instead of 8 seconds.
      You're comparing your Dart to the wrong kinds of cars, as I mentioned above. Compare it to the base model Focus, the Corolla, the non-Si Civic, the Sentra, and a whole bunch of other compact ECONOMY cars. None of them are fast, they're mostly sold as economical appliance vehicles. As far as power-to-weight ratio goes, the Dart is actually better than most in its class, even it if is kind of heavy.

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      You are comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare a truck with a 320+hp V8, your wifes 250+hp V6, and a Focus ST to a NA I4 with less than 200hp.

      It has more than enough get up for 184hp and 3200lbs. My car, I am estimating at low 7's based on previous 7, 8, and 9 second 0-60 cars I have owned in the past. Try shifting earlier than 6k for 1-2 shift. The 2.4 doesn't like to be redlined from a dig.
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