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      Little story.... based on my working life... and no joke: I began my working life as a major appliance repairperson. I soon found out that selling appliances was much more comfy in hot summer/cold winter, so I've been selling appliances since 1978. Three major blocks of time. 1978 to 1987 - selling on commission at a large family owned dealer. For nine years I never knew that there was "spiff" money being given by the various manufacturers to salespersons. Unfortunately, the very wealthy owners diverted those spiff dollars to themselves. (first real lesson of greed)
      Advanced myself to working as an inside operations employee for General Electric Service : dispatching, parts expediting, parts sales, etc., with a huge benefits package. That was from 1987 to 1993 when GE decided that it wasn't worth having better paid pensioner type people working for them in support positions, so they closed up brick and mortars and went cyber with the techs on the road. All "operations" moved to a spin-off company centralized in Memphis. Low pay jobs. No benefits. Greed lesson #2.
      Was offered a decent salary by a much smaller family owned appliance store to manage. No benefits. Luckily, my wife worked for a tax funded school district that covered family members on health insurance.
      Then after about five years (I still work there), the sales reps came in and said to the owner: "The Spiff Money Is for Salespersons. You can refuse to sign off on the program, but store Principals are not legally allowed to funnel the spiff money into their own pockets. It was then I realized how brutally greedy my first employer was in taking all the spiff money away from the employees. In addition, since no laws are written to benefit the average worker of the back-bone of America (small business) in the way of pensions or any benefits to speak of, we have the "world" in microcosm. The "haves" want to keep it, and add to it. Spiffs, which are like "pay-offs", are the Cool Whip and Cherries of the already bloated owners of industry's desserts.
      I do believe , however, that in the "end", Karma is a cruel bed-fellow.
      I was born in the fifties, came of age in the 60's. That should give enough information to understand. Thank You, in advance!

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      I think you really have to blame the car dealer model for the reason many MANY people are not fond of sales people at department stores, and the fact that salespeople dont know lickity shit about anything anymore. Is it a product of the generations? do people not really ask technical questions anymore? Is it not a requisite to know a product inside and out and be a walking encyclopedia (within reason)? I donno. I know im guilty of it, when i walk into a store i dont want to be bothered until i ask for help. This is very true at hardware stores and parts stores. most of the time im looking at using things as they were NOT intended for projects and more often then not people cant seem to grasp that concept.

      I have never worked a sales or commission job as my elders who gave me my money education said that they are high risk medium reward jobs. A generational shift as well that has taken hold is basically a underground telsa car sales model. Most MFG's dont sell directly to the public, they sell to stores and the stores handle the warehouse storage and sales. People who go online to shop are doing the tesla model. The fact they find cheaper prices online 90% of the time and brick and mortar stores are going extinct or becoming 'amazon show rooms' is price.

      Retailers are not adapting to the trends of today. People still want many choices but they don't want to fight though stuffy sales people, drive to a crowded mall, or pay some middleman the privilege of buying something. Its just technology is changing the sales process.

      The other thing is that in your points is that they are defined time periods, people got rich from X amount of time, but always adapting. taking schiff money, spin off and cast off experienced, compensated employees for cannon fodder, to how long can we bamboozle people for working without what they are entitled to.

      the key to wealth is getting people to do stuff that they have not figured how to do for themselves. Enter repairable appliances. But where is the fun in that? why engineer and build something that will last? lets condition that little mouse with a red balloon that every 10 years you should buy a new dishwasher and fridge and washer and dryer? Who wants to fix stuff anyhow or have a quality machine? its AMERICA!! its disposable society!!! We have unlimited resources right? the great pacific ocean garbage cloud is a myth!!

      A worker revolt is unlikely because to many sheeple are afraid to get cut off of their daily allowance to cut the head off the snakes.

      in 2014 the top 10 highest CEO to median worker income, number 10 was 650%+ higher then median salary, and the top 3 were over 1,000% more then median. (walmart was 4th on the list and first to crack over 1000% disparity).

      Had enough yet?
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      People got angry here after we had a millage increase because our art museum was bankrupt(along with the rest of the city). What did they do with the money? Gave the top director something ridiculous like a 75% increase in salary and a bonus. The reasoning behind it?

      "Well the directors in other states make X amount of money for the same job title, so should I!". Same thing happened with our Zoo director. "Well the San Diego Zoo Director makes X amount of money, so should I!".

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      Not to be misunderstood, @Bullfrog , my point really had little to do with the"line of work" itself or the way products are made and distributed.
      The point to be taken is that for everything that is done , be it selling something, governing something, or producing life saving drugs, etc., ..... there are PAYOFFS that have benefited the Wrong People for years and years. The Wealthy in today's age did not get wealthy based on true daily work. The laws, by and large, are written and enforced to screw "working people". Whether they are salespeople or engineers. I was born believing this and my 60 years of living has proven it to be true. And yes, I would gladly have been a member of a Socialist , even semi-Communist society if were NOT for Corruption even in those evil systems.
      Society was devised to benefit large groups of people for the advancement and betterment and life enjoyment of all members. Greed has blocked that logic since the Dawn Of Man. Even at the Original Water Hole of Hairyman.
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      I offer no answers, mainly due to forum restrictions.
      I was born in the fifties, came of age in the 60's. That should give enough information to understand. Thank You, in advance!

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      so is it the way of things or the way we interpret things? Does a class system form based on ideas or on evolution? is it hardcoded that some are workers and others are leaders?

      its all philosophical for sure. And i donno if there is a FIX. or at least one that people can agree on.

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      Without going "over the top", Nature, and the laws that encompass it, is not forgiving,fair,or even desirable to the mind that was "coded" for Humans (mankind). We perceive it as lovely. Even wonderful and awe-inspiring. But "we" are distinct and technically, "outside" of Nature's givings and misgivings. The hardcoding, both for the genius and the idiot, is to strive for the attainment and occupancy of the Multi-Realms that exist in the Eternal State. We did not evolve from anything. We have learned how to control each other within the species. But our journeys - no matter how long or short - are but for the attainment of the Eternal.
      Which, to simplify, is Not "Dog Eat Dog". Or even Big Fish Eat Small Fish. Those are just plain old crusty imperfect Nature Bits. There is more.
      So yes, @Bullfrog , there is no plan that could be agreed on. Here, anyway.
      I was born in the fifties, came of age in the 60's. That should give enough information to understand. Thank You, in advance!

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      so your saying we rigged the system?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bullfrog View Post
      so your saying we rigged the system?
      That would mean there is a system. The universe, as far as we know, is a cold, uncaring, and unaware thing. Life is just a chemical process that is bound to occur once in a while under the proper circumstances. Intelligence is also going to occur once in a while where life has evolved. And intelligence is going to lead to the manipulation of the so-called "natural" environment. However, the whole concept of "natural" is one of human creation. All things that happen or can happen are natural, because to be "unnatural" they would have to not exist. So whatever we do, it's "natural" and the universe doesn't care.

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      This conversation needs a serious derail!!!!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bullfrog View Post
      so your saying we rigged the system?
      No.... Man was "designed" by outside means. And the "outside" is the destination goal.
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      That would mean there is a system. The universe, as far as we know, is a cold, uncaring, and unaware thing. Life is just a chemical process that is bound to occur once in a while under the proper circumstances. Intelligence is also going to occur once in a while where life has evolved. And intelligence is going to lead to the manipulation of the so-called "natural" environment. However, the whole concept of "natural" is one of human creation. All things that happen or can happen are natural, because to be "unnatural" they would have to not exist. So whatever we do, it's "natural" and the universe doesn't care.
      Exactly! But even the Universe is just the Natural "soup pot". It's what beyond the Natural that we're hard-wired to desire. Supernatural. Eternal.
      Man simply has not understood this very long. It's a pretty cool thing though.....
      I was born in the fifties, came of age in the 60's. That should give enough information to understand. Thank You, in advance!

     

     
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