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      my sister has a 2013 Dodge Dart and today when she was driving home the windshield wipers came on and now will not turn off. we couldn't find a fuse or anything like that for the wipers and don't know how to get them to turn off. neither one of us know anything about cars and don't have lots of extra money to take the car to a shop to get it fixed, but we really really need her wipers to turn off, any suggestions?

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      Shot in the dark, try disconnecting the battery for a few minutes and reconnecting it?
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      I read somewhere, that there is no fuse for the wipers, it is built-in to the BCM(if I am remembering correctly). At any rate, sounds like you are going to have to try resetting the car, by disconnecting the battery like @CanadianGuitar suggested, or checking to see if the ground wire for the wipers came loose. If those don't help, then a trip to the dealer may be in order.

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      Quote Originally Posted by loxmith View Post
      I read somewhere, that there is no fuse for the wipers, it is built-in to the BCM(if I am remembering correctly). At any rate, sounds like you are going to have to try resetting the car, by disconnecting the battery like @CanadianGuitar suggested, or checking to see if the ground wire for the wipers came loose. If those don't help, then a trip to the dealer may be in order.
      "I read somewhere, that there is no fuse for the wipers, it is built-in to the BCM(if I am remembering correctly)." I guess this is because some Darts have the rain sensing wipers. ???
      ...and here we are 4 plus years after the Dart was rolled out and we are STILL figuring things out.
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      If you look at the schematic, there are two wiper relays built into the BCM circuit board. I wonder if one of those gets stuck on?
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      There is a connector for the wiper motor under the cowl. The cowl is attached with push pins. It should not be difficult to unplug the connector to the motor as a temporary fix.

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      The FSM describes what happens when you turn on the wipers. It couldn't be more complex.

      08 - Electrical / 8R - Wipers/Washers / Operation

      OPERATION

      The wiper and washer system is designed to provide the vehicle operator with a convenient, safe and reliable means of maintaining visibility through the windshield glass. The various components of this system are designed to convert electrical energy produced and stored by the vehicle electrical system into the mechanical action of the wiper blades to wipe the outside surface of the glass, as well as into the hydraulic action of the washer system to apply washer fluid stored in an on-board reservoir to the area of the glass to be wiped. When combined, these components provide the means to effectively maintain clear visibility for the vehicle operator by removing excess accumulations of rain, snow, bugs, mud or other minor debris from the outer surface of the windshield glass that might be encountered while driving the vehicle under numerous types of inclement operating conditions.

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      The vehicle operator initiates all wiper and washer system functions with the control knob (1) on the control stalk (2) of the multifunction switch that extends from the left side of the steering column, just below the steering wheel. Rotating the control knob on the end of the control stalk, selects the OFF, DELAY (except with the optional automatic wiper system), AUTO (with the optional automatic wiper system only), LOW or HIGH wiper system operating modes. In the DELAY mode, the control knob also allows the vehicle operator to select from one of four intermittent wipe DELAY intervals. In the AUTO mode, the control knob allows the vehicle operator to select from one of four automatic wiper sensitivity levels.

      Depressing the control knob towards the steering column actuates the momentary washer system switch, which selects the WASH and WIPE-AFTER-WASH modes depending upon when and how long the switch is held closed. Rotating the control knob downward actuates another momentary switch and selects the MIST mode, which cycles the wiper blades for as long as the switch is held closed then completes the current cycle and parks the blades at the base of the windshield after the control knob is released.

      The multifunction switch provides hard wired digital inputs to the Steering Control Module (SCM) internal to the Steering Column Control Module (SCCM) mounting housing for all of the wiper and washer system functions. The SCM then sends electronic wiper switch and washer switch status messages to the Body Control Module (BCM) over the Controller Area Network (CAN) data bus requesting the appropriate wiper and washer system operating modes.

      Wiper and washer system operation is completely controlled by the SCM and BCM logic circuits, and that logic will only allow these systems to operate when the ignition switch is in the ACCESSORY or ON positions. The BCM uses intelligent, high current, self-protected high side switches to control integrated wiper relays that control wiper system operation by energizing or de-energizing the wiper motor low and high speed brushes. The multifunction switch circuitry receives battery current and a clean ground output from the SCM, then provides digital inputs to the SCM to indicate the selected wiper and washer system mode.

      The hard wired circuits and components of the wiper and washer system may be diagnosed using conventional diagnostic tools and procedures. Refer to the appropriate wiring information. However, conventional diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in the diagnosis of the electronic controls and communication between other modules and devices that provide some features of the wiper and washer system. The most reliable, efficient and accurate means to diagnose the wiper and washer system or the electronic controls and communication related to wiper and washer system operation requires the use of a diagnostic scan tool. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information.



      OPERATING MODES

      Following are paragraphs that briefly describe the operation of each of the wiper and washer system operating modes.

      •Automatic Wipe Mode - If the vehicle is equipped with the optional automatic wiper system and it is enabled, when the control knob on the control stalk of the multifunction switch is moved to one of the four sensitivity positions, the SCM sends an electronic wiper switch sensitivity message to the BCM over the CAN data bus. The BCM, which is also a Local Interface Network (LIN) data bus master node, relays the wiper switch sensitivity message to the Light Rain Sensor Module (LRSM), which is a LIN slave node over the LIN data bus.The LRSM monitors an area within the wipe pattern of the windshield glass for the accumulation of moisture. Based upon internal programming and the selected sensitivity level, when sufficient moisture has accumulated the LRSM sends the appropriate electronic wipe command messages back to the BCM over the LIN data bus. Then the BCM operates the wiper system accordingly.As the sensitivity level is set higher, the LRSM is more sensitive to moisture accumulation and will send wipe commands more frequently. The third (middle) sensitivity position of the control knob is designed to provide optimal wiper performance for most typical driving requirements. The BCM logic is also programmed to provide an immediate wipe cycle each time the control knob on the control stalk of the multifunction switch is moved from the Off position to one of the four sensitivity positions, and another immediate wipe cycle each time the control knob is moved from a lower sensitivity position to a higher sensitivity position.Also, if a vehicle is equipped with automatic wipers but the feature has been disabled using the customer programmable features function, when any sensitivity position is selected with the multifunction switch control knob the system will respond in the same manner as in the intermittent wipe mode. The automatic wiper system has features designed to protect the mechanical components of the wiper system, and will not allow automatic wiper operation under the following conditions:
      •Low Ambient Temperature - When the ambient temperature is below 0° C (32° F), the automatic wipers will not operate during a new ignition cycle until the wiper switch has been moved to a different position than that which was selected at the moment the current ignition cycle began, or until a vehicle speed input is detected.
      •Transmission In Neutral - When the transmission gear selector is placed in the Neutral N position while the ignition switch status is On, the automatic wipers will not operate during the current ignition cycle until the wiper switch has been moved to a different position than that which was selected at the moment the Neutral position was selected, until the vehicle speed is greater than 8 kilometers-per-hour (5 miles-per-hour) or until the transmission gear selector is moved out of the Neutral position, whichever occurs first.

      •Continuous Wipe Mode - When the Low position of the control knob on the control stalk of the multifunction switch is selected the SCM sends an electronic wiper switch low status message to the BCM over the CAN data bus. The BCM then directs battery current to the low speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at low speed.When the High position of the control knob is selected the SCM sends an electronic wiper switch high status message to the BCM. The BCM then directs battery current to the high speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at high speed.When the Off position of the multifunction switch control knob is selected, the SCM sends an electronic wiper switch off status message to the BCM, then one of two events will occur. The event that occurs depends upon the position of the wiper blades on the windshield at the moment that the control knob Off position is selected.If the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield when the Off position is selected, the park switch that is integral to the wiper motor is closed to ground, which provides a hard wired park switch sense input to the BCM. The BCM then de-energizes the wiper motor and the wiper motor ceases to operate. If the wiper blades are not in the down position on the windshield at the moment the Off position is selected, the park switch is an open circuit and the BCM continues running the wiper motor at low speed until the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield and the park switch input to the BCM is again closed to ground.
      •Headlamps On With Wipers Mode - The circuitry of the BCM provides an automatic Headlamps On With Wipers mode for vehicles equipped with the optional automatic headlamps. This is a customer programmable feature that can be enabled or disabled through the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC). If this feature is enabled, when the headlamp switch is in the Auto position, the headlamps will turn On automatically whenever the windshield wipers are turned On; and, if the headlamps were turned On automatically when the wipers were turned On, they will also turn Off automatically when the wipers are turned Off.If this feature is enabled in vehicles equipped with the optional automatic wiper feature, when the automatic wiper mode is selected the headlamps will turn On automatically only after the wipers complete three automatic wipe cycles within about 30 seconds, and they will turn Off automatically after 3 minutes elapse without any automatic wipe cycles unless ambient light conditions dictate otherwise.
      •Intermittent Wipe Mode - The following applies to vehicles not equipped with the optional automatic wiper system, or to vehicles equipped with the automatic wiper system that have had that feature disabled using the customer programmable features function.When the control knob on the control stalk of the multifunction switch is moved to one of the four Delay (Intermittent) interval positions the SCM sends an electronic wiper switch delay interval status message to the BCM. Then the BCM electronic intermittent wipe logic circuit responds by calculating the correct length of time between wiper sweeps based upon the selected delay interval input.The BCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired park switch sense input. This input allows the BCM to determine the proper intervals at which to energize and de-energize the wiper motor low speed brush to operate the wiper motor intermittently for one low speed cycle at a time.The BCM logic is also programmed to provide vehicle speed sensitivity to the selected intermittent wipe delay intervals. In order to provide this feature, the BCM monitors electronic vehicle speed messages from the Controller Antilock Brake (CAB) (also known as the Antilock Brake Module/ABM, the Antilock Brake System/ABS module or the Electronic Stability Control/ESC module) and doubles the selected delay interval whenever the vehicle speed is about 16 kilometers-per-hour (10 miles-per-hour) or less.
      •Mist Wipe Mode - When the control knob of the multifunction switch is rotated downward to the momentary Mist position, the SCM sends an electronic wiper mist mode status message to the BCM. The BCM then energizes the low speed brush of the wiper motor for as long as the switch is held closed, then de-energizes the motor when the state of the switch changes to open, parking the wiper blades near the base of the windshield. The BCM can operate the wiper motor in this mode for only one low speed cycle at a time, or for an indefinite number of sequential low speed cycles, depending upon how long the switch is held closed.
      •Wash Mode - When the control knob of the multifunction switch is depressed toward the steering column to the momentary Wash position for more than about one-half second with the wiper system operating, the SCM sends an electronic washer switch status message to the BCM. Then the BCM directs battery current and ground to the washer pump/motor. This will cause the washer pump/motor to be energized for as long as the switch is held closed (up to approximately 20 seconds) and to be de-energized when the control knob is released.When the control knob is depressed to the momentary Wash position while the wiper system is operating in one of the Delay interval (or sensitivity level with automatic wipers) positions, the washer pump/motor operation is the same. However, the BCM logic also overrides the selected delay interval or sensitivity level and operates the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the control knob is held in the momentary Wash position, then reverts to the selected delay interval or sensitivity level several wipe cycles after the control knob is released. If the Wash switch is held closed for more than about 20 seconds, the BCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the control knob is released for about 2 seconds, then cycled back to the Wash position.
      •Wipe-After-Wash Mode - When the control knob of the multifunction switch is depressed toward the steering column to the momentary Wash position for more than about one-half second while the wiper system is not operating, the SCM sends an electronic washer switch status message to the BCM. Then the BCM directs battery current and ground to operate the washer pump/motor and energizes the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the switch is held closed (up to approximately 20 seconds). When the control knob is released, the BCM de-energizes the washer pump/motor immediately, but allows the wiper motor to operate for two or three additional wipe cycles before it de-energizes the wiper motor and parks the wiper blades near the base of the windshield.If the control knob is held inward for more than about 20 seconds, the BCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the knob is released for about 2 seconds and then cycled back to the Wash position; however, the wipers will continue to operate for as long as the switch is held closed. The BCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired wiper park switch sense circuit input. This input allows the BCM to count the number of wipe cycles that occur after the control knob is released, and to determine the proper interval at which to de-energize the wiper motor to complete the Wipe-After-Wash mode cycle.

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      The OP did not say if their wiper option was the automatic rain sense system. There could be a malfunction in that module. Here is that possibility:

      DIAGNOSING FALSE WIPES (AUTOMATIC WIPER ONLY)

      False wipes are unnecessary wipes that occur when the control knob of the multifunction switch is in one of the four automatic wiper sensitivity positions and no rain or moisture is apparent within the wipe pattern on the windshield glass. Because this system is designed to operate whenever it detects moisture, if the switch is in one of the automatic wiper sensitivity positions any road spray, bug splatters or mist from passing cars or trucks may occasionally cause the wipers to cycle. These are normal characteristics of this system and are not false wipes.

      False wipes generally are the result of foreign material or flaws that interfere with the system optics. The optics for this system allow the Light Rain Sensor Module (LRSM) to precisely transmit several InfraRed (IR) light beams and monitor the intensity of these beams reflected from the outer surface of the windshield glass to determine the presence of moisture. The sensitivity of this system is such that anything that distorts the focus or intensity of the IR light beams or impacts the ability of the photo diodes within the LRSM to see and accurately measure these light beams can result in the LRSM logic misinterpreting the resulting input data as moisture on the windshield. The optics for this system include the lenses of the LRSM, the adhesive silicone gelatin (SilGel) layer that bonds the LRSM to the inside of the windshield and the windshield glass.

      The following procedure should only be used if false wipe occurrences are frequent and persistent. Perform diagnosis of the wiper system, the multifunction switch, the Steering Control Module (SCM) and the LRSM using a diagnostic scan tool and the appropriate diagnostic procedures before performing the following:

      NOTE:
      The LRSM mounting bracket is serviced as a unit with the windshield glass. If either the bracket or the glass is ineffective or damaged, the entire LRSM bracket and windshield glass unit must be replaced. Also, if the LRSM is removed from the mounting bracket for any reason, the integrity of the adhesive silicone gelatin (SilGel) layer of the LRSM will be compromised and the silicone gelatin pad must be replaced with a new unit.


      1.Carefully inspect the outer surface of the windshield glass for physical damage, including scratches, cracks or chips in the vicinity of the LRSM mounting bracket. Scratches, cracks or chips in the windshield glass outside the area of the LRSM mounting bracket lenses will not cause false wipes. If OK, go to Step 2. If not OK, replace the damaged windshield.

      2.From the outside of the windshield glass, carefully inspect the adhesive layer between the windshield glass and the LRSM bracket for any large voids (air pockets). If an adhesive void greater than about 1 millimeter (0.04 inch) is observed, replace the flawed silicone gelatin pad. If OK, go to Step 3.

      3.Lightly pull the LRSM away from the windshield bracket to confirm that both sides of the spring steel LRSM mounting band are fully engaged with the mounting bracket on the inside of the windshield glass. If OK, go to Step 4. If not OK, install the LRSM mounting band onto the bracket as required.

      4.Remove the LRSM from the mounting bracket. Carefully inspect the LRSM mounting bracket for any physical damage and inspect the windshield glass area within the LRSM mounting bracket for contamination. If OK, go to Step 5. If contaminated, clean any foreign material from the windshield glass using rubbing alcohol and a lint-free cloth. If damaged, replace the damaged LRSM bracket and windshield as a unit.

      5.Carefully replace the LRSM with a new unit. (Refer to 08 - Electrical/8R - Wipers/Washers/MODULE, Light Rain Sensor (LRSM) - Installation).

      Mods, could this thread be moved to the appropriate forum?
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      Could also be the actual switch has gone bad on the wiper/turn signal stalk
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      I had a similar issue on a 2011 Ford edge. The wipers would continuously be on their lowest setting. The issue turned out that the wiper switch (stalk) was faulty. Changed that and it was no problem.
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