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    This is a discussion on Tuner/SalesCodes/ECU Swap within the Dodge Dart Electronics forums, part of the Dodge Dart Garage - The Mopar Zone category; So... i sent off an email today.. awaiting response. Id like to share it with the class and get opinions as i wait.. so heres ...

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      So... i sent off an email today.. awaiting response.
      Id like to share it with the class and get opinions as i wait.. so heres the email i fired off. @Exitus04 @josh16


      "A question i believe everyone wants answered and/or verified.

      Since the Fiat 500L 1.4L can surpass the 200HP threshold and the Dodge Dart 1.4L seems to have a lot of loops to jump through to surpass the 200HP threshold..*

      Both of these cars have the same engine, and what appears to be the same ECU, maybe a different model of Magnelli ecu, but both magnelli.. *

      With that said, could we not do 1 of 2 things;

      A: do an ecu swap, the 500L's ecu to the Dart. To get that extra performance the 500L is capable of..
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      B: Modify/map the darts ecu the same as the 500L"


      Is this possible? Do they share the same ECU/ECM? Could they be interchangeable or Mapped the same?


      Thank you.*

      We are still learning all we can about the darts and we appreciate all info and insite we can get based on the two models.*

      There has been many mixed answers from different vendors about the ECU/ECM on both of these vehicles, it appears that no straight answer has been able to be given.*

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      Quote Originally Posted by REZNICK View Post
      So... i sent off an email today.. awaiting response.
      Id like to share it with the class and get opinions as i wait.. so heres the email i fired off. @Exitus04 @josh16


      "A question i believe everyone wants answered and/or verified.

      Since the Fiat 500L 1.4L can surpass the 200HP threshold and the Dodge Dart 1.4L seems to have a lot of loops to jump through to surpass the 200HP threshold..*

      Both of these cars have the same engine, and what appears to be the same ECU, maybe a different model of Magnelli ecu, but both magnelli.. *

      With that said, could we not do 1 of 2 things;

      A: do an ecu swap, the 500L's ecu to the Dart. To get that extra performance the 500L is capable of..
      OR
      B: Modify/map the darts ecu the same as the 500L"


      Is this possible? Do they share the same ECU/ECM? Could they be interchangeable or Mapped the same?


      Thank you.*

      We are still learning all we can about the darts and we appreciate all info and insite we can get based on the two models.*

      There has been many mixed answers from different vendors about the ECU/ECM on both of these vehicles, it appears that no straight answer has been able to be given.*

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      @REZNICK who did you send the email to? I bet that the best vendor to contact regarding this is EC as they work with the ECU of both platforms.

      Another option would be to contact Skyed tuning as I believe he is the only one able to VIN flash ECUs. Something that I read he spent over a year on. This is something that dodge software engineers can only do with new ECUs but he is apparently able to do it with used ones as well. If you pickup a 500 ECU then with the help of Skyed and maybe Aleksei from alfaobd you might have a shot at getting it to work. Of course this is all speculation
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      Quote Originally Posted by josh16 View Post
      @REZNICK who did you send the email to? I bet that the best vendor to contact regarding this is EC as they work with the ECU of both platforms.

      Another option would be to contact Skyed tuning as I believe he is the only one able to VIN flash ECUs. Something that I read he spent over a year on. This is something that dodge software engineers can only do with new ECUs but he is apparently able to do it with used ones as well. If you pickup a 500 ECU then with the help of Skyed and maybe Aleksei from alfaobd you might have a shot at getting it to work. Of course this is all speculation
      After @youngsmith53 run in with Syked. I'll never deal with them. Already removed my Tune Bookmark from browser.

      But i understand what you are saying. Will have to find some avenues.
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      Sent this to Jack at UniChip. They do the 500L as well. So maybe there will be insite from him.
      @Exitus04
      I also confirmed.. the Q4 is "flashable" through PC.

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      Quote Originally Posted by REZNICK View Post
      After @youngsmith53 run in with Syked. I'll never deal with them. Already removed my Tune Bookmark from browser.

      But i understand what you are saying. Will have to find some avenues.
      @Exitus04 @josh16
      Sent this to Jack at UniChip. They do the 500L as well. So maybe there will be insite from him.
      @Exitus04
      I also confirmed.. the Q4 is "flashable" through PC.

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      I knew the unichip could do that, but I don't think that the ecu really matters when it comes to the unichip...

      As far as their website is concerned they say that they can adjust for mods... now whether or not they are going to do that is the question
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      - Stock Wastegate Adjustment (8mm)
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      - AEM Boost Gauge
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exitus04 View Post
      I knew the unichip could do that, but I don't think that the ecu really matters when it comes to the unichip...

      As far as their website is concerned they say that they can adjust for mods... now whether or not they are going to do that is the question
      The reason im looking at ECU. Is due to the Economy written ecu the dart has, which is apparently impossible to break for Power.
      So i figure.. if we can swap ecus to allow for writting power over economy... we will get better gains from these tunes..

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      Quote Originally Posted by REZNICK View Post
      The reason im looking at ECU. Is due to the Economy written ecu the dart has, which is apparently impossible to break for Power.
      So i figure.. if we can swap ecus to allow for writting power over economy... we will get better gains from these tunes..

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      The 500L is similarly set I think

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      - MPx Intercooler Pipes
      - Custom Built 3" SRI w/ K&N cone filter
      - Stock Wastegate Adjustment (8mm)
      - GFB DV+ Valve
      - RRM Lightweight Pulley
      - DRP Race Dump
      - AEM Boost Gauge
      - CravenSpeed TB Spacer
      - ADD W1 Catch Can on the line from the PCV to the intake manifold
      - 17"x 7" Konig Control Matte Black Rims
      - BF-Goodrich G-Force Sport COMP-2 tires
      - Black Bezel Headlight Swap
      - Unichip Tuned (Custom Tune)
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      - RRM Hi-Flow Cat Downpipe
      - PTP Turbo Blanket
      - Heat Wrapped Cold Intercooler Pipe
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exitus04 View Post
      The 500L is similarly set I think

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      If i remember correctly the unichip dyno is based on the 500L which shows around 254HP.

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      Where did you hear that the 500L gets beyond 200hp more easily than the Dart? I believe there are even less tuning options for it than for the Dart. I've just looked at Unichip's US website. They don't offer a "kit" for the 500L at all, just the 500 Abarth, however their dyno runs have absurd numbers. They show the 500 Abarth making 180 wheel horsepower and almost 222lbs-ft of wheel torque on its stock run. That's totally ridiculous, and assuming drivetrain loss of around 10% should be closer to 145hp/155lbs-ft (the Abarth makes less torque than the Dart). The numbers on the Dart's dyno sheet are also grossly overstated. Even if they did have a dyno tune that showed 254hp for a 1.4T vehicle (which I didn't find), I wouldn't believe it for a second.

      EC does offer a flash tune for the 500L, but the power increases claimed are a little less than for the Stage 1 Dart tune. The Dart also has a more powerful Stage 2 tune, which I don't believe is available for the 500L. I can find no evidence anywhere that the 500L is a better platform for tuning than a 1.4T Dart. In fact, I'm almost certain that the 500L and Dart have the exact same drivetrain and ECU. The 500L doesn't even appear to have the "Sport" mode button that I think every other 500 has (including the 1.4T Abarth and 500T), but which is notably absent in the Dart and its "one tune only" ECU.

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      Can't be done unless you change the vehicle configuration and vin flash it.

     

     
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