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      1.4L Turbo Sputter/Stumbling in Cold Weather

      So I am starting to have an issue with my 2013 Dart Rallye (1.4L turbo). It is starting to run really bad when it's cold out (sub 50 degree temps). It stumbles, sputters and even backfires a little when it's cold out. I have had a coil go bad before and it's not as bad as that but it is pretty rough. It is not throwing a CEL either. Living in Florida, it doesnt get cold often but I just started having this issue within the past week and it got really bad today with the temps in the 30s. I am not sure what it could be, it seems to run OK after it gets warm (180+ water temp) although earlier today I drove from work to home (about 15 min drive) and it ran bad the entire way.

      The spark plugs were changed when the bad coil was replaced, which was about 4000 miles ago. The oil and oil filter were changed about 2000 miles ago. Coolant was replaced about 1000 miles ago (damn plastic T connector broke). Only recent thing I have done to the car was installing Kicker amp, sub and door speakers (which shouldnt effect anything). I always use 93 octane and I actually put in Lucas Oil fuel injector cleaner today to see if that would help or resolve the issue (I guess it's to early to tell, have only used about a gallon of fuel today after filling up).

      Any ideas? I plan on taking it to the dealer on Monday if I cant figure it out.
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      a respected member here as advised that you change all 4 coil packs at the same time if one goes bad
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      Quote Originally Posted by pkgmsu2000 View Post
      a respected member here as advised that you change all 4 coil packs at the same time if one goes bad
      Looking back, that would have been a good idea.

      UPDATE: So yesterday after driving back from work with it stumbling/sputtering, I got home. I waited about 45 mins then I hopped in the car and drove around and it drove 100% normal, buttery smooth. I get up this morning (about 28 degrees out) and drive to walmart, again it is stumbling all the way there. I do my shopping, leave and the car again is 100% normal and smooth. It seems to do the sputting when I first drive the car cold. I've never had a car do something like this before.
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      Intake air temp sensor or engine oil temp sensor may be giving the PCM bad info but still not bad enough to set a code. If you have an OBD2 dongle with an app on your phone, you could monitor what is happening.
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      Quote Originally Posted by alpinegreenneon View Post
      Intake air temp sensor or engine oil temp sensor may be giving the PCM bad info but still not bad enough to set a code. If you have an OBD2 dongle with an app on your phone, you could monitor what is happening.
      I have an UltraGuage. After doing some driving, I think it may be something to do with the intake temp. Car seems to drive bad when the air intake temp is low. Once it gets up to 75-80+, it seems to get better to the point where it feels 100% normal. I think it could be the MAP sensor.

      I tried to take it to the dealer today but they wouldnt let me drop it off. I had to make an appt which isnt until next Monday morning.
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      The 1.4L Map sensor is combined with the intake air temp sensor. It may be the most expensive sensor ever. It's more expensive than the PCM. Hope it's still under warranty.

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      Quote Originally Posted by youwish16 View Post
      So I am starting to have an issue with my 2013 Dart Rallye (1.4L turbo). It is starting to run really bad when it's cold out (sub 50 degree temps). It stumbles, sputters and even backfires a little when it's cold out. I have had a coil go bad before and it's not as bad as that but it is pretty rough. It is not throwing a CEL either. Living in Florida, it doesnt get cold often but I just started having this issue within the past week and it got really bad today with the temps in the 30s. I am not sure what it could be, it seems to run OK after it gets warm (180+ water temp) although earlier today I drove from work to home (about 15 min drive) and it ran bad the entire way.

      The spark plugs were changed when the bad coil was replaced, which was about 4000 miles ago. The oil and oil filter were changed about 2000 miles ago. Coolant was replaced about 1000 miles ago (damn plastic T connector broke). Only recent thing I have done to the car was installing Kicker amp, sub and door speakers (which shouldnt effect anything). I always use 93 octane and I actually put in Lucas Oil fuel injector cleaner today to see if that would help or resolve the issue (I guess it's to early to tell, have only used about a gallon of fuel today after filling up).

      Any ideas? I plan on taking it to the dealer on Monday if I cant figure it out.
      Cannot say it enough times, CHANGE ALL 4 COIL PACKS AT ONE TIME. Worst mistake I made. I still have one riding around in my trunk of my jetta that i threw in there when i traded my dart in. I kept buying extra ones to keep with me because they kept going on me. Now that i think of it, if anyone wants it, they can have it. Just send me your shipping info in a pm. I have no use for it. its for a 2013 dart rallye 1.4t
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      UPDATE: MAP sensor was changed today. With that being said, don't really know if it fixed the issue or not because coil #4 seems to have went bad yesterday. I guess I have to replace all the coils then see.

      BTW what is up with coils going bad on this car?
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      Quote Originally Posted by youwish16 View Post
      UPDATE: MAP sensor was changed today. With that being said, don't really know if it fixed the issue or not because coil #4 seems to have went bad yesterday. I guess I have to replace all the coils then see.

      BTW what is up with coils going bad on this car?
      I believe the earlier 2013 models had an older revision of the coil pack that is more prone to failure. At some point during the 2013 model year, I think they switched from 68081914AB to 68081914AC. I don't think I've seen anybody have to replace their coil packs on a 2014 or later Dart.

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      UPDATE: Replaced all the coils. The map sensor seems to have been the fix to the original issue. I really won't know 100% until the next time it's cold out. Test drove it today after replacing the coil, about 70 out....Intake temps around 70 and it drove 100% normal.

     

     
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